Debunking the Four Blood Moons Theory

The four blood moons theory posits that a very important event, such as the Rapture, could take place in 2014 or 2015 when there will be a tetrad (four consecutive, total lunar eclipses without an intervening partial lunar eclipse).[1] Proponents claim that these total lunar eclipses will coincide with major feasts on the Jewish calendar in 2014 and in 2015: Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). Here are the major dates below:

Eclipse DatePotential Feast Date
April 15, 2014Passover
October 8, 2014Sukkot
April 4, 2015Passover
September 28, 2015Sukkot

The significance of this according to proponents is that a tetrad does not coincide with four Jewish feast periods that often (the next time may be over a hundred years from now) and that important events impacting the nation of Israel tend to happen when it does. Proponents tend to link the three most recent tetrads that have coincided with four Jewish feast periods with the expulsion of the Jews from Spain, the creation of the state of Israel, and Israel’s capture of East Jerusalem.

The reason the Rapture is often brought up as the event that could transpire during the time of the next tetrad is that there are verses like Joel 2:30-31 and Acts 2:19-20 that describe the moon turning to blood before the coming of the Lord.

“And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” (Joel 2:30-31)

“And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:” (Acts 2:19-20)

In this article I provide my definitive critique of the four blood moons theory.

Rapture Viewpoints & Viability

An individual’s viewpoint on the Rapture’s timing is likely to affect how viable he or she sees the four blood moons theory. One of the biggest assumptions underpinning the theory is that the Rapture can come at any moment. Those who believe in a Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, or Post-Trib Rapture are unlikely going to find the four blood moons theory viable because it is simply too late for the Rapture to take place by 2014 or 2015 under these Rapture timing scenarios.

Rapture ViewpointPossible Timeframe
Mid-TribJuly 2017
Pre-WrathAfter July 2017 to 2020
Post-TribJanuary 2021

I don’t think I need to convince supporters of either the Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, or Post-Trib Rapture positions that the four blood moons theory is not viable. However, I anticipate that many of those who read this article believe the Rapture can come at any moment-the supporters of the Pre-Trib Rapture position. I write this article mainly for the believers of the Pre-Trib Rapture position with the hope that they do not get caught up in the hype surrounding these total lunar eclipses and understand that those who promote the four blood moons theory are probably not the best people for them to follow.

Non-Scriptural Issues with the Four Blood Moons Theory

One major issue with the four blood moons theory is that the total lunar eclipses will have limited visibility when they occur. For instance, three of the four upcoming total lunar eclipses won’t even be visible to the Middle East (April 15, 2014, October 8, 2014, and April 4, 2015), which you would think is the most important location for the blood moons to be visible. Another issue is that there have been total lunar eclipses on Jewish feast periods several times in the past without anything substantial happening.

A third issue with the theory is that one of the most important tetrads that proponents discuss, the tetrad linked to the creation of the state of Israel, did not actually begin until after the event had transpired. The creation of the state of Israel occurred in May 1948 while the first total lunar eclipse of the tetrad did not begin until April 1949. This fact undermines the idea that tetrads are meant to be a divine warning sign since a warning sign is supposed to occur before an event transpires-not after an event transpires. The heavenly signs described in Joel and in Acts are warning signs before something transpires.

The biggest issue of contention I have with this theory from a non-scriptural perspective is that not every total lunar eclipse of this upcoming tetrad will occur during a Jewish feast at the locations where it likely matters the most.

  • The Jewish feast of Sukkot will begin at sunset on October 8, 2014. Coincidentally, there will be a total lunar eclipse on October 8, 2014. However, the total lunar eclipse on October 8, 2014 will begin and conclude hours before sunset in most parts of the world, including in the Mideast. According to NASA, the total lunar eclipse will begin around 10:25 AM UTC on October 8 or 12:25 PM local time in Israel and last for nearly a hour (let’s not forget that those in Middle East won’t even be able to see the total lunar eclipse when it does take place). Thus, the total lunar eclipse that theorists link to Sukkot in 2014 will be completed before Sukkot begins in Israel. In addition, the total lunar eclipse will be completed before Sukkot in the time zones west of Israel, including the time zones that encompass Europe and the United States.

You can read about additional non-scriptural shortcomings of the theory at the following link.

A Major Scriptural Issue with the Four Blood Moons Theory

The main flaw for the four blood moons theory is scriptural in nature. There are multiple ways to refute the theory using scripture, but for sake of brevity I will focus on perhaps the easiest way for someone to follow regardless of which Rapture position they ascribe to.  Matthew 24:29 and Joel 2:30-31 are among two of the most cited verses by the teachers of the four blood moons theory. These verses describe the signs in the heavens, including a darkening sun and moon.

Common Verses Cited By Four Blood Moons Theorists
The Sun Darkens The Moon Changes Color
Matthew: 24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”
Joel 2:30-31: “And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.”

Matthew 24:29 states that the changes in the moon will occur “immediately after the tribulation”. The reference to the “tribulation” here is the great tribulation as Christ had just described what the persecution of people will be like during the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21-28.

“(21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. (23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (25) Behold, I have told you before. (26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. (27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:” (Matthew 24:21-29)

Thus, the great tribulation will need to conclude no later than 2014 or 2015 for any one of the four upcoming blood moons to be associated with Matthew 24:29 and Joel 2:30-31. In addition, the abomination of desolation will need to be established no later than 2014 or 2015 since the establishment of the abomination of desolation will lead into the great tribulation.

(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) (16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: (18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. (19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! (20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:15-21)

The problem with expecting both of these developments, particularly the great tribulation, by 2014 or 2015 is that the seventieth week of Daniel (the seven year period that many people call the “tribulation”) would need to have begun a few years ago since the abomination of desolation is prophesied to be established in the midst of the seventieth week of Daniel or three and half years after it begins (Daniel 9:27).

The Abomination of Desolation Is Established at the Midway Point of the 70th Week of Daniel
Daniel 9:27: “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
Matthew 24:15:When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

The seventieth week of Daniel has not begun yet as no “covenant with many” has been confirmed, so how can we possibly see the abomination of desolation, the great tribulation, or the blood moon associated with Matthew 24:29 and Joel 2:30-31 in either 2014 or 2015?

The teachers of the four blood moons theory demonstrate a lack of Bible prophecy understanding. They have taken verses completely out of context to push a theory which has a lot of flaws even without taking scripture into account. The citation of Matthew 24:29 to support the theory is the most egregious example of taking a verse out of context as Christ specified that several events will occur before the appearance of the changed moon.

  • I actually watched a video sermon series featuring a very prominent Bible prophecy commentator teaching this theory and it was awful. I’m not nearly as articulate or as charismatic as this Bible prophecy commentator is but he made so many contradictory statements and presented ideas that had no scriptural support that I wished I could have been in the audience to challenge him to a debate.

It’s unfortunate that so many people have bought into this theory and have given their money to those who endorse it (at the time of this writing one particular book endorsing the four blood moons theory is one of the most popular selling books across any genre). The fact that so many people have bought into this theory is evidence that not a lot of people currently have a solid understanding of Bible prophecy. I don’t claim to be the most knowledgeable Bible prophecy commentator around today, but it does not take much scriptural research to see how scripturally flawed the four blood moons theory is. If you see a Bible prophecy commentator promote this theory you probably should not look to them for your Bible prophecy information.

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  1. It is worth noting that John Hagee and Mark Blitz, two prominent proponents of this theory, never explicitly predict that the Rapture will take place within the 2014-2015 time period. However, I believe it is fair to say that they strongly suggest that the Rapture could take place during that time (why else make such a big deal about this?).
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Wayne Croley
Wayne Croley

Hi! I’ve studied and written about Bible prophecy since I was a teenager. My goal is to make Bible prophecy easy for you to understand while avoiding the sensationalism seen elsewhere. I am the author of Prophecy Proof Insights on the End Times, a comprehensive book about the end times. I hold an M.B.A. and degrees in Managerial Economics and Political Science.

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  1. With regards to your article on the “Four Blood Moons” theory you made this statement: “I actually watched a video sermon series featuring a very prominent Bible prophecy commentator teaching this theory and it was awful. I’m not nearly as articulate or as charismatic as this Bible prophecy commentator is but he made so many contradictory statements and presented ideas that had no scriptural support that I wished I could have been in the audience to challenge him to a debate”.

    OK, so why not expose this false teacher to the rest of us so that we do not become ensnared? Jesus and the Apostles had no qualms about naming names and exposing falsehoods.

    • I did not believe there was a need to mention this individual by name since this individual was so prominent with regards to the Blood Moon teaching that people interested in this topic would already know who I was referring to…

      • Well, I guess I’m one of the few who doesn’t know who you are talking about. There are so many prophecy teachers it is hard to know them all.

          • Why not just name names? If you want to put out a warning so that we will not be deceived, then name names! Jesus did, so did the Apostles, John The Baptist, etc.

          • Mark Biltz is the originator of this theory and John Hagee wrote a book and probably made a bundle off of it. Does that answer your question?

          • Thanks, and yes it does. I’ve never heard of Mark Biltz. I’m a aware of John Hagee and he is someone I do not follow or listen to.

  2. One other remark, Connie. I don’t see America as completely falling right now, for the record. I just think she’s going to fall to the extent that the a global system (comprised of multiple nations) can be put in her place. I’m obviously nowhere near as versed in eschatology as you are, so this might sound completely idiotic, but my impression (largely from Daniel) is that this multi-national system will essentially be a representation of the original Roman empire. This is what I think of as Ecclesiastical Babylon. The other form of Babylon would be Political Babylon which I believe will be the apostate church (ecumenical movement). So for clarification, when we talk about America being Babylon, in my mind that means she’ll be one of the nations of Ecclesiastical Babylon. I do believe she’ll be the most powerful nation of Ecclesiastical Babylon, at least for a period, and then she’ll be utterly laid waste at some point. Do you disagree with this? Just curious. Thanks.

  3. Okay, your last paragraph scared me a little. I cannot say I am absolutely certain that my experience came from the Lord. Do I feel convinced it did? Yes I do. Does that mean I’m absolutely certain? No, I don’t think I could say I’m absolutely certain. It’s not like I saw an angel or heard a loud voice or anything.

    Outside of constantly reading Scripture in an effort to gain a better understanding of eschatology, I haven’t applied any checks. What checks are you referring to? You’re actually the only person I’ve talked to about it who hasn’t immediately dismissed it or attempted to rationalize it away somehow.

    I’ll send all of the reasons why I believe it was from the Lord as soon as I have a chance to type them out, by the way. Thanks for taking the time to help me out with all of this! Much appreciated.

    • Hi Watchman. I would really like to hear this entire vision or dream that you had, but this is not the place to do it. You have my blog address for my endtimes blog. If you go to the first post – the initroduction – in the comment section you will see that I posted my email address. You can write to me there and have this be a more private conversation. Maybe once I know what the entire thing is, I can better help you figure out if it is from God or not. We can discuss Babylon there too.

      • BTW, I found out my blog is not opening up the years and showing all the posts for that year. So go up to the search engine at the top left and type in the word introduction and it will open up to the intro and that year.

  4. Yeah, I did catch that they were talking pre September ’15. I’m still convinced something happened that week. I don’t know what exactly it was, but I do know something significant occurred. It’s fascinating to me that there were people like the ones in that link saying something was going to happen months before I had my experience. I think that’s just a personal thing that only I can see as meaningful, though.

    I do hear what you are saying about allowing Scripture to interpret events. I believe that must be top priority too. I have only been looking at prophecy for a year, though, so I must admit that it’s not always the easiest thing to do. I can see that it takes practice and I’m definitely not very good at it yet. (I’ve always loved Scripture; I just never specifically studied prophecy until September ’15.) Hopefully I’ll improve with time. 🙂

    Please tell me if you disagree with this, but in my mind, CERN’s end game does fit with Scripture. Scientists are searching for the ‘God’ particle, which they presume will inform them about creation, and so on. Fundamentally, I see this as tantamount to slapping God in the face. It is the ultimate form of blasphemy, and for all I know, God could view it as an invitation from humanity to the demonic on a global scale.

    Is the science behind CERN legit? Yes, I believe it is. Am I personally intrigued by what they’re doing there? Absolutely, I love science. At the end of the day, though, I am a believer first, and as far as endeavors like CERN are concerned, I find myself wondering what exactly it is that we hope to gain from all of our scientific exploring. Do we want to live forever? Do we want to travel through time? Are we hoping to colonize space or create an infinitely sustainable planet? What exactly?

    Isn’t Christ the answer to all such questions?

    For these reasons I can see how God could deem CERN to be the straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak. Do I think CERN is somehow necessary for the unfolding of prophecy in a way that means God requires it in order to proceed? No, of course not. God obviously isn’t limited in that way. Maybe that’s not what it’s about, though. Maybe it’s about what CERN represents (i.e., humanity’s endless quest for truth outside of Scripture) rather than whether its creation is physically necessary in order for end times to proceed.

    Not sure if that makes any sense, but it’s kind of the way I’ve been thinking about CERN. As far as DNA is concerned, I don’t really have any thoughts about that one way or the other. I have more just been questioning CERN in general. The Gotthard Tunnel ceremony was so completely over the top in its Satanic symbolism that I personally found it difficult to dismiss as mere coincidence – during a time when all other signs in the world seem to be pointing to the end.

    I’m very intrigued by your take on the competing factions. It makes a lot of sense to me. I feel like God reprogrammed my brain last September, though, so until I see the election go through with my own eyes, I don’t think I don’t think I’m capable of biting into any other theories. It’s a crazy deal that I just want some closure on, to be honest. Soon enough, I suppose.

    What I saw last September was that the Pope had literally transferred his evil to Obama, Putin, and Rouhani. They were clones of the same evil source which originated in the Pope. I subsequently had a moment where I saw something in Hillary (this was a week or so later), but it was totally different from the others I just mentioned. What I saw in her was that she was being afflicted or oppressed or something. I could basically see that she was intentionally being taken out by Obama. I felt profoundly sympathetic for her in that moment, whereas with the others I felt terrified in a way that I have never experienced.

    In my experience with the Pope and the three leaders, though, it was like I instantly understood that America was over. That feeling hasn’t diminished at all either. I’ve prayed about it, tried to de-convince myself, etc. to no avail. So…I dunno, I guess we’ll see. If we do get a new President, I guess I’ll be back to square one and hopefully will be able to return to my old self. Until then, though, I guess I’m stuck in a nightmarish holding pattern where no one else sees what is so totally obvious to me.

    I see America as fulfilling the role of Babylon’s HQ like you said only as part of a one world government under the Pope or whomever. I still believe martial law is going to break out when the world thinks Trump is going to become President. This, coupled with natural disasters, will be the catalyst for economic collapse and Obama’s remaining in office until the one world system is in place. I think all of those things will happen very quickly, and after that, God will finally have the full attention of the majority of Christians. I think America has to fail through economic collapse and a major change in political systems, however, in order for the Antichrist or False Prophet to gain control. I don’t see how this could happen any other way. I also don’t see how it could happen outside of the initial declaring of martial law, though.

    Everything you said does make a lot of sense, and were it not for my experience, I would be very inclined to think the same. The FEMA stuff is very disturbing indeed. I’ve heard that about the pastors, yes, and it doesn’t surprise me at all. Just more evidence to support the idea that things are going to happen very quickly, in my opinion. America’s churches are badly broken. People don’t seem to get or see that. Not sure why. Maybe it goes back to confusing works with salvation or something. It frustrates me, to be perfectly honest.

    When we moved to the rural area we’re in now, we started a small Bible study group to replace finding a church because one of the other things I saw in my experience was that the church would soon be splitting and true Christians would have to go underground. I haven’t gotten involved in another church for that reason. Can’t say whether that’s right or wrong just yet, but again, I don’t think I have the capacity to see it any other way until after the election. Time will tell!

    • I suppose it is quite possible that I am wrong and Obama will declare martial law. He has made it pubic that this is his intention, only when he said it, he joked about it so people didn’t take him seriously. I still go back to the fact though that Babylon’s demise does not seem to be before the 70th week, but within it. And not at the beginning if I understand it correctly. I see it at the very least as halfway through it, but I believe it is even later. First I would guess that it will be economic and then we will be run over by Islam, (those two things may be simultaneous) and finally nuked off the planet by the 10 cronies of the beast. The reason I don’t see the demise of Babylon until then is because of the chronology of Rev. 14. It starts with the 144,000 who were sealed, then it talks about Babylon falling. But the 144,000 are not sealed until after the sixth seal has been opened, and that is opened after the great tribulation is cut short. And of course the total destruction of Babylon comes at the end of the vials. So for America, if she is Babylon, to completely fall now does not work with Scripture for me.

      As for CERN, it may be that the timing of what they are doing with CERN has been orchestrated by God to occur at the same tie that he gives the key to the “star” to open the abyss, so that people will believe that they have opened the portal, when in fact it will be God opening it. I have no doubt that CERN is trying to open the portal to bring these things up now, so that they can get their new world order. Maybe they are aware that their leader the beast, is stuck in the abyss, and that is why they are trying so hard to open it. But it’s not going to happen until God opens it, so they can try all they want. In the meanwhile, the demons that are roaming free can make them think anything they want, as these occult rituals they are doing are bringing power to the demons that are loose and giving them control. But I don’t think God will allow man to go beyond certain parameters. Nimrod tried it many years ago. He wasn’t just building a ziggurat. There have been lots of ziggurats. God isn’t afraid of a skyscrapers, even if they are used as temples for pagan gods. There was a lot more to that story than that. God stopped them then, and He will not allow it now unless it is for His purposes. So I’m not worried about CERN doing anything cataclysmic at this point, as only what is in the Bible is going to happen. Of course what is going to happen is horrific, but at least we know what it will be. So whether it gets attributed to CERN or to God, it will still be the same events.

      I think the Pope is the false prophet, but not the beast. The beast is political. The pope is religious, as is the false prophet. Something is up with Putin, but I’m not sure which side of the line he falls on in this civil war. Time should tell us that.

      I know that one of the objectives of the Illuminati is to live forever. They want apotheosis. Hence the painting of the Apotheosis of George Washington on the rotunda of the Capitol building. They are trying transhumanism, cloning, “ascending,” whatever they can to escape judgment, for they know that if they can cheat death, then God has lost the war and they have become gods themselves. They are so stupid.

      May I ask, why are you so absolutely certain that this vision or dream or whatever you had is from the Lord? There have been a great many people with such visions who, it turns out, did not receive them from the Lord after all. What checks did you apply to it to be convinced that it was from God? I’m not casting aspersions, just want to know how you double checked its authenticity so as to be convinced it wasn’t a deception.

  5. Here you go, Connie. Not sure if you saw the overtly satanic Gotthard Tunnel inaugural ceremony, but that set me to thinking. After doing some digging, I personally think the people in this audio could be on to something. The audio at minute 39:00 fits perfectly with everything I experienced during that same week. Crazy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXv-7IG_4Ow&t=2340

    • I’m sure this will sound very out there, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you could find a correlation between ‘birth pangs’ and the CERN activity schedule (i.e.; terrorist attacks, mass shootings, earthquakes, etc.).

    • Hi Watchman. I don’t know if you caught or not that they were talking pre Sept 2015, and were expecting all this to happen a year ago. I did see the inaugural ceremony back when it happened, and they are really getting blatant now in their public Satan worship. Here is the thing about CERN. Demons usually come into people’s lives by invitation somehow. Whether it is spells and incantations, or generational demons who are given permission by parents, or by other means. When it comes to opening portals to the abyss, no technology is going to do that. We are told in Revelation that God holds the key and it won’t be given to anyone but the star who falls from heaven in Rev. 9:1. So nobody is opening it until then, and that is after the great tribulation has been cut short. However, demons will use any ruse to be given entrance to control people, and so when we build machines, they can make it appear that the machines are doing things which they may not actually be doing. They have the ability to manipulate matter, so this is not a big challenge for them to make it appear that the machine is manipulating the matter.

      I look at God’s Word and other than telling us that there will be wars and rumors of wars, (I think especially in the Middle East) and nations rising against nations, and betrayal and persecution (all of which is happening), before the real start of things at the abomination of desolation, I don’t see anything that dramatic (such as a demonic invasion or asteroid hit) happening yet. That’s reserved for the trumpet judgments. Scripture is pretty sparse about telling us stuff in the first half of Daniel’s 70th week other than there must be a temple rebuilt and in Chap. 11 it indicates that there might be some activity in and around Israel (which there is all the time). I say that, but at the same time I do leave room for a faux rapture scenario, as Satan has spent a lot of time convincing the world that a rapture will happen pre-trib, and rumor has it that there is a faux one called Project Blue Beam planned by the Illuminati to simulate that to 1) rid the planet of a bunch of people and 2) make a bloody sacrifice to empower the demonic world. The third reason Satan would have this is to get Christians who are expecting to escape all this be disappointed if they are not taken (and if they are taken it will be to be sacrificed) so that they will fall away. Or there may not be a faux rapture either, in which case a lot of Christians will fall away thinking it is all a lie (Christianity in total) or at the very least be terribly confused and not understand what is going on and be vulnerable and unprepared. However I can’t believe Satan spent a hundred years putting forth this false doctrine for nothing, so I’m expecting maybe some sort of fireworks display.

      There is so much going on in Satan’s arsenal, transhumanism, alien invasion, etc. etc. that it is hard to figure out how he is going to pull all of it together, but rather than look at these things and pick one and make a scenario, I look at Scripture to see exactly what is going to happen, then try to figure out how all these things could fit into what God has said, not do it in reverse, trying to cram God’s Word into fitting a scenario that I have created. As for trying to change our DNA, the mark, in Greek “charagma,” is defined as “a scratch or etching, stamp or badge of servitude, or sculptured figure or graven statue.” Revelation 13:16-17 says ” And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” That means that the mark or etching or stamp will be on the right hand or forehead (not the DNA) and will be either the mark OR the name of the beast OR the number of his name. So if I am to read this as is, one must have the mark, or in some way display the name or number of the name of the beast. Does that mean there is something other than the mark which would show loyalty as it says “or”? Time will tell. But I don’t see it being a change in our DNA. Scripture doesn’t warrant that leap. There might be something in the mark though that causes problems, for in the vials we see that anyone who has taken it ends up with some sort of grievous sore on their bodies of some kind.

      As for the correlation between CERN and terrorist attacks, etc., there is a lot of brainwashing going on these days. Through the media, through parents who are satanic doing it to their kids, through computer games, just so many ways you can’t list them. As to the weather, I think a lot of that is God giving us warnings. Can we control the weather through technology? To a certain extent, yes, probably we can. But nothing happens that God hasn’t ordained. Right now I have been led to believe that the Illuminati, which has at least two major factions, is at civil war. It appears that those who follow the beast are at war with those whose allegiance is to Babylon. The beast’s people are trying to take down America, but this is Babylon’s headquarters as far as I have been able to discern, and it would appear she has decided that this is not going to happen. Her ranks have been rising up and overthrowing the ones who have been in charge for a long time. That is what I understand Brexit was about, and I understand that this election is about the same thing, which is explaining why the country is rising up to support Trump from all groups including those who are normally liberal as a whole. It isn’t Trump against Hillary as much as it appears to be Babylon and her people against the beast’s people. I am assuming she will win the election, because if I understand Scripture correctly, America’s (if America is Babylon and I think she is) demise does not occur until sometime inside Daniel’s 70th week. If Hillary gets in and has all her agenda shoved down our throat, it will be the end of us pretty quickly. In that case, we are not Babylon. Now is that good news for Christians that Trump might win? Not necessarily. I think Babylon has a big bloody sacrifice planned to empower her before the beast comes back on the scene, so she can do battle with him. There is animosity between them now, even though she rode him for so long. He kills her, and she knows he will kill her, because she can read the Bible too. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I think a faux rapture would be the perfect cover to gather up a really big sacrifice for her. That might also explain all the renovated (and secret) concentration camps around the country, and all those FEMA coffins that are stacked up by the millions around the country too. Sure, tell us it is for natural disasters. That’s a good cover. Were you aware that FEMA has been training pastors to calm their congregations and get them to cooperate with FEMA in case the government needs to move people out for ANY reason? Interesting that they are targeting pastors for this special training.

  6. So, Connie, this is the month I’ve been waiting for all year. If nothing happens this month, I’m vowing to let the blood moon theory and the idea that the Pope is the big kahuna die in my mind. I say this because I believe last September, when the Pope came to the US the same week as the final blood moon, was revealed to me by the Holy Spirit as being very, very significant. At the time, I was the biggest blood moon theory skeptic on the planet and knew virtually nothing about it at all. Anyway, I’m closely watching what happens with Hillary and the economy. Outlook not so good at present, I’d say, but I guess I’ll know for sure soon enough. 🙂

    • I don’t think the pope is the beast, but I do believe the pope will be the false prophet. As for the first article you mentioned, this is not surprising since the whole objective of everyone from the pope to the president is trying to bring us into the NWO in every way they can. This whole thing with Hillary’s health has got me wondering what the plan is. I am not sure of what the rules are should she be elected, but before she can take office something happens that would prevent her from taking the oath. I don’t know if BO remains in office until a new election can be arranged or what happens. I am not so sure she will win though. I have known for a long time that the Illuminati has two factions that are not in agreement about things. The one faction has always been the dominant force in Europe and here, but of late it seems the less dominant faction has been flexing its muscles. It appears that a civil war has broken out and the less dominant faction is now taking over like a bulldozer. That is apparently what Brexit was about from the research I’ve been doing. It was a statement and a show of strength. From what I comprehend (and understand that as this kind of information comes from putting together pieces of info I pick up through a lot of sources I can’t verify anything, only hypothesize) this election is also a battle between the two factions to see who is going to take (or keep) control of the U.S. It will be interesting to see what happens and who gets control.

      As for Scofield, I no longer pay any attention to his ideas, as he is the one who was the driving force between getting the church to accept the pre-trib rapture through his notes in the Scofield Bible. I don’t trust what he says being a correct interpretation on this subject.

      • Well, you might be right about the false prophet. I could accept that as a possibility. I rejected it the first time I heard someone say it, but in light of everything I’ve been reading about Islam, I’m starting to reconsider.

        I just know the Holy Spirit revealed something huge and terrifying to me the week Franny was in the US. It actually started before he arrived in the US. The voices of the anchors reporting from Times Square the night before he arrived just sounded weird. They were talking about how ‘electric’ the atmosphere was. There was something about the way they sounded that got my attention in a very subtle way.

        By the time he flew out, I was bordering on totally irrational as a result of this sort of internal panicked feeling that seemed to grow exponentially each day he was here. I could neither silence nor ignore it. I have never experienced anything like it.

        To be perfectly honest, it was as if I could see that he wanted to cart every living soul off to Hell and I had to do something. I had this incredible awareness of how my sins have prevented others from believing, which in turn created this unbelievable desire to witness and ask everyone for forgiveness for everything I could ever recall doing.

        Long story short, God put my wife, kids and I through a 5 day crash course on the end time significance of Luke 17:33 that week. We packed up bare essentials and moved out of the city and into a single room dwelling in a very rural town. We have been here for almost a year now. Our suburban home is still sitting empty – like someone just hit the pause button on what used to be our life. It’s actually kind of sad to go back, but it was like God gave us this very clear message that what we were doing would serve as an example for other believers who would be required to do the same very soon.

        If everything I experienced was indeed real, I don’t think there’s going to be another president. I’m not saying you should believe that; obviously you shouldn’t. I’m just saying that I’m utterly convinced of it myself. I can’t explain how all of the pieces fit together; it was like I could just see (in addition to all of the above) that there wasn’t going to be another president. Time will tell.

        Fascinating stuff in your message, by the way. It makes a whole lot of sense and gives me more to think about.

        Here’s something that hit me earlier tonight as I was watching the Clinton clip:

        What’s up with those dark sunglasses she’s wearing all of a sudden? No one else around her is wearing any sunglasses. Not only that, but they’re the same tint, I believe, as Bono from U2. (He also creeps me out.) When I look at her wearing those glasses, all I can think about is him. Makes me wonder.

        I’m sure I’ll be the first to get my head lopped off with all the name dropping I’ve done on this site. Oh well. I guess I’ll just consider it all joy. 🙂

        • Here’s my (very optimistic) opinion of what’s going to happen:

          1. Hillary implodes
          2. Economy collapses
          3. Rioting due to the appearance that Trump is going to be the next pres. (You can already see the framework for this in BLM, football, etc.)
          4. Martial law; BO to the rescue
          5. More natural disasters; continuous downward spiral from there

        • From what I understand from people who have been near to Hillary (this is first hand from these people by the way) she is demonically possessed. If so, and if her health is deteriorating and she is losing control, it might be the demon can be seen in her eyes. I’ve seen demonically possessed people and their eyes can change and give it away. She might be having that problem now.

          I think that something will probably happen with this election, but I have no idea what. I think things are going to get bad for Christians. Massachusetts has already passed a law telling churches and their congregations that they will be violating the law if they don’t observe the trans rules that BO has ordered. If they even refer to a trans in the way the person objects to, they can be sued and are in trouble with the law. I’m sure this will become a law for the rest of the churches in short order. Separation of church and state seems to mean the church stays out of the state, but the state can order the church around.. We are in trouble for sure. I know that Obama jokingly said to some reporters once that the conspiracy theorists said that he would do something such as martial law so he could stay in office. Everyone laughed. Then he said, “They’re right.” And everyone laughed again, but he was dead serious. He has a plan. They all do. It is a matter of what God has planned.

          You were smart to get out to a rural location, but you might have been able to take a little more time. Do you have land, gardens? God moved us to a farm 16 years ago and I was all for becoming totally self-sufficient, but my husband is not on board with all this and doesn’t grasp the reality of it. He kind of lives in his own little fantasy world. I can’t do a thing with him having this attitude, so unless God does something, I’m stuck as is. On a farm, but not farming. I do have a garden. And a good friend of mine who rejected pre-trib over two decades ago told me yesterday that she is going back to that belief. She knows things are getting close and apparently can’t handle the truth, so she’s closing her eyes and going back to the lie as it is more comfortable. I don’t know why. Pretending is not going to change what is going to happen.

          There are rumors that there will be a hoax rapture called Project Blue Beam to remove Christians and offer them as a sacrifice for Babylon to start things off at some point. There is a lot of hoopla about another date being set for the rapture on the Fall Feasts this year again. It would not surprise me if there were a hoax rapture this year what with this election and all to create havoc. Then BO would certainly declare martial law. Who knows what will happen. What I do know is that if one does occur, it won’t be the real rapture and I for one won’t be running out to be a part of it. Your list of events as to what may happen is a distinct possibility. I have considered the same chronology myself.

          • Well, the good news is that we are about to be living right up in the middle of the most legit form of Christianity since the early church. I, for one, am pumped about that. God will make it all work somehow but I must admit that most believers appear to me to be slumbering very deeply at the moment. I have testified to at least 100 friends and relatives over the last year and exactly zero of them have been moved by it in the slightest.

            The Holy Spirit actually revealed to me that I would be killed over 6 years ago; way before I ever thought about being in end times; so I’m ready for that. Plus, I’ve said way too much at this point to not be picked up in the intelligence dragnet. I know that’s coming for me; it’s just a question of when.

            That’s sad about your friend, but I can relate to her thinking. It’s not easy to be the one person or even the one couple/family who’s swimming upstream all the time. It can suck the joy right out of you if you’re not careful. That has been my experience. But, you know, it’s just temporary and maybe that’s the way it has to be for a while. That’s the way I try to look at it.

            I’m looking forward to getting into the good stuff, though – provided I’m still here at that point. I personally think we will be totally consumed with witnessing by default once we get to that point. We won’t even be able to control our desire to witness because we’ll have such a profound understanding of just how evil Satan is once the lawless one has been revealed. That’s the part I can’t wait for. It’s gonna be intense.

            I don’t believe pre-trib and definitely believe a fake rapture is coming at some point. I’ve warned people about this all year long w/ zero impact. It’s wrong but I almost feel like some people deserve what they’re about to get. I probably need counseling.

            We do have a plot of land we’ve been working on, no garden yet, but God willing, we’ll get there soon. I’ll be praying for you, your friends, and your family. I think just about everyone is at the mercy of someone else right now, so hang in there. God will prepare an equally yoked bride in time. I don’t know about you, but on most days, it’s easy for me to completely forget that. 🙂

          • It’s funny that you said that sometimes you feel like people will deserve what they will get. I have felt that way many times myself when pre-tribbers get really nasty with me and tell me I’m not even saved because I don’t believe pre-trib. But the truth is, and this is not trying to be nasty, those who die in the tribulation will for the most part deserve what they get, as it is the punishment for their apostasy and turning their itching ears away from truth to all these blasphemous doctrines and worldly living. Christ warned the seven churches in Revelation of His displeasure. Of course the Smyrnan church is not guilty of anything, because Christ had nothing bad to say about them, but He will still let them be martyred. And the Philadelphians are the only ones who have a remnant that will make it through. Small group out of seven churches. Most Christians will die. Most Christians don’t believe this. God told them in Daniel and Revelation that He is turning the saints over to the beast. Can’t be more clear than that. It is a time of cleaning the church up.

          • I couldn’t agree more. There’s so much to be learned from Rev 3.

            Good luck getting anyone to read it, though – especially if House Hunters is on.

            Sometimes I get the feeling that an earthquake could literally crack the Temple Mount in half while Franny, dressed in his all white robe, was delivering a speech about gay marriage on live TV, and most ‘believers’ still wouldn’t be quite sure whether we were in the last days or not.

      • Also, I really do believe Scalia and Ryan will be instrumental in whatever happens. I think anything could happen with Scalia being out of the picture and Ryan being in place. I’m not even sure the existing rules, whatever they may be, will have any bearing with this being the case.

  7. Thanks for your response.

    I listened to Biltz’s book twice while traveling over the weekend; he actually goes into a lot more detail in the book. He talks a lot about saros cycles and series in one of the latter chapters; it’s very interesting. At the beginning of the book, he also talks about the Hebrew language and how each letter has a pictographic meaning and each word (e.g., Zion) tells a story. I have no idea if this is true, never heard of it and haven’t looked it up, but if it is true, it’s pretty remarkable.

    Anyway, regarding your response, I’m still trying to understand what “The Day of the Lord” actually means. I’m getting mixed interpretations depending on what I read on that. Are you saying you take it to mean the ‘day’ Christ returns? And am I correct in interpreting that some take it to mean the entire 7 year period? (Generally speaking, I mean.)

    Would it be contradictory for Biltz to not be pre-trib and interpret ‘the day of the lord’ as meaning the start of Daniel’s 70th week? I ask because I didn’t get the sense from Biltz’s book that he is pre-trib. Maybe I missed something, but I got the distinct sense that he saw the most recent tetrad as (roughly) signaling the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period. He talks a lot about this in the next to last and last chapters.

      • I may be wrong about Biltz being a pre-trib proponent, but I’m pretty sure he is, and I know Hagee definitely is.

        I believe all viewpoints agree that the Day of the Lord is the commencement of God’s wrath. It comes from the Old Testament scriptures that describe it as the time of God’s vengeance against the unbelieving world. There are signs that are given in these Scriptures that will be portents that herald the approach of the Day of the Lord. Some of them are the sun going dark, the moon turning to blood or going dark, stars falling, the sky rolling up like a scroll, the earth quaking, and men running to the mountains and caves to hide. The difference between the various viewpoints is that they don’t agree as to when the Day of the Lord begins or of what it consists. With the exception of the post-trib position, all of the others (pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, and last trump) agree that we will be removed before God’s wrath begins. Post-trib says Christians will be protected through it all, but be here on earth the entire time. Pre-trib and mid-trib see a two-part coming of the Second Coming. Pre-trib sees a secret one to rapture the church at the beginning of the 70th week, which then begins the “tribulation” (I’ll explain the quote in a minute) a term that they use interchangeably with the Day of the Lord and Daniel’s 70th week, while the mid-trib sees the secret rapture and Day of the Lord commencing at the abomination at the mid-point. Mid-trib also calls the entire seven years the “tribulation” and sees the great tribulation as the Day of the Lord or God’s wrath. Pre-trib sees the seals, trumpets, and vials all as God’s wrath. Mid-trib sees only the vials as God’s wrath and that they begin at the abomination of desolation when the Great Tribulation begins. Both see the entire seven years as “tribulation.”

        Pre-wrath sees the Second Coming (one coming only) of the Lord after the great tribulation is cut short, and after the sixth seal, but before the trumpets. (the sea of glass scene) They believe it happens somewhere in the midst of the second half of Daniel’s 70th week, but I don’t believe there is a conclusive point that they put it at. At least there wasn’t when I first believed this viewpoint. They put the trumpets after the great tribulation is cut short, but before the end of the 1260 days and consider them part of God’s wrath. At the end of the 1260 days the vials are poured out in the 30 extra days mentioned in Daniel 12.( 1290 days). Then the Lord with the saints comes back for Armaggedon. So for them the Day of the Lord begins at the sixth seal. I don’t believe they consider the entire 70th week a “tribulation.”

        Last trump sees one coming at the last trumpet. This is after the seals, and trumpets have sounded, but before the vials are poured out in that last 30 days after the 1260 days. They see the Day of the Lord/God’s wrath commencing at that last trumpet based on Rev. 11:15-19 and Rev. 14:14-16:1 and only include the vials as His wrath. They do not call the 70th week the “tribulation.”

        Now, the reason I put “tribulation” in quotes, is because while the term has become more or less synonymous with Daniel’s 70th week, there is absolutely no Scriptural justification for this term. Nowhere is this time referred to in this way. Part of the problem between viewpoints, is that erroneous definitions are used, which lead to false assumptions.

        The only time the word “tribulation” is applied to any part of this seven year period is when Christ said in Matthew 24 that after the abomination of desolation, there would be “great tribulation.” He designates it as a specific time period beginning not at the start of the 70th week, but at the abomination. Then He tells us that it is cut short of that time period also. So we don’t know exactly how long it will be, but it is cut short of the 3 1/2 years when the signs that will herald the Day of the Lord occur – sun, moon, etc. When examining Matthew 24 as compared to Revelation, we find a parallel to all the seals, mentioned in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew. And after the martyrdom during the great tribulation (fifth seal) we find that the sixth seal is the same signs that cut short the great tribulation. So we still have the trumpets to go to finish out the 3 1/2 years. Using the term “tribulation” is an erroneous and deceptive application of a term to make it seem that the entire seven years are God’s wrath. The only other place in the New Testament where the great tribulation is mentioned is in the letter to Thyatira where they are told that if they don’t repent, Christ will send them into great tribulation. So this church at the very least is not exempt from the great tribulation.

        The second erroneous application of terms is to equate tribulation with God’s wrath. Tribulation is the Greek word “thlipsis” and every time it is used in the New Testament it is referring to the persecution of the saints in some manner by Satan or man. Wrath on the other hand is either “thumos” or “orge” both of which refer to God’s anger and vengeance. The two are not the same thing at all, so to say that the seven years are tribulation is the first mistake, and then to say that tribulation is God’s wrath or Day of the Lord is the second mistake.

        To further define Day of the Lord, I think everyone defines the Day of the Lord as the time when God will pour out His wrath on an unbelieving world to punish them before He sets up His kingdom. However, some see the Day of the Lord ending after Armageddon, and some see it going to the end of the millennium. That latter reasoning being that the world is 6000 years old, and as God said a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, the last thousand years or 7th millennium is the Sabbath in the millennial week, just as Saturday is the Sabbath day in the week of seven days, and the seventh year is the Sabbath year in the week of seven years. So this period would be the Sabbath rest for God’s people when He reigns. But all agree that the millennium begins with the Day of the Lord.

        In the N.T. this day is also referred to as the Day of Christ. Paul tells us that we should be sincere and without offense until that day, and that he will rejoice that he has not run nor labored in vain until that day. It is the day of the Lord’s Second Coming. In Thessalonians, Paul tells us that Christ will come and gather us unto Himself on the Day of Christ. As we know we are not appointed to wrath we know that God’s wrath starts when we are removed. The problem seems to be that people cannot agree as to when that is. In Thessalonians Paul tells them that it at least won’t occur before the man of perdition sets himself up as God sitting in the temple of God.

        And yes, I have heard that the Hebrew letters are also pictographs. I have not studied Hebrew, so I really can’t say. I believe that they also stand for numbers, if I’m not mistaken. I believe Hebrew is the original language created by God for mankind, so nothing about it would surprise me.

        Hope this helps to clarify the different viewpoints a little about the Day of the Lord. If I am in error somewhere I am sure someone with that viewpoint will correct me. I was brought up pre-trib, went to pre-wrath, and now am last trump, so I’m fairly sure on those.

        • If it is the Seventh Angel, who holds the Seventh Bowl judgement, is the one who has shown to John the Great Prostitute/Mystery Babylon, because he is the one who witness her punishment, then it logically follows that it is the Sixth Angel who holds the Sixth Bowl Judgement who witness the rapture of the Bride, should and must be the most credible angel to show to John the Bride/New Jerusalem at the end of the Millennium.

          Please study Rev. 16 & 21. Tell me what is the significance and relevance of Jesus’ announcement of “Behold! I come as a Thief!” or rephrasing it this way, ” Here I am, Look at me! I come to snatch and take away!”, right after the preparation and gathering of the beast’s armies and prior to the punishment of the Great Prostitute and prior to Armageddon.

          Who are those who must put on their Robes so that they will not be found naked when Jesus will come to snatch and take them away?

          Please refute this very literal and logical interpretation.

  8. We may be half way into the thousand year reign by the time I finish, but I am going to put as much detail into it as I can. I am trying to think of a way of displaying it that will both capture the timing and visibility issues you guys have pointed out but also do justice to Biltz’s point in a single graphic. Maybe an animated chart or something, I dunno.

    I have no knowledge of Hagee but Biltz strikes me as genuine. It’s possible Biltz said something I don’t know about, of course, but to my knowledge, he never tried to tie the theory to the rapture. In fact, he explicitly stated more than once that he didn’t get into the rapture, when it would occur, etc. in everything I have heard him say.

    (I’m frankly unclear on why anyone would attempt to tie the theory to the rapture; that just doesn’t make sense to me. Why would God warn believers about the rapture?)

    My understanding of what Biltz was trying to say was simply that according to the Bible and the data, he was convinced God was trying to warn believers about an event on the horizon. And after looking at the data, I can certainly see why he thought that. The odds of these things lining up like they do, even with the timing issue you mentioned, would have to be infinitesimally small. I’m not sure what that says about a sovereign God who commands his followers to watch.

    Having said that, one of my questions is this: why is it that we believe the Jews had to be able to see all of this? How do we know we weren’t supposed to see and understand it for the first time in history right now? Could it not simply be that God is warning us about something and the intended audience has always been us? I don’t know about you, but I believe one possible interpretation of Daniel 12:4 is that knowledge will be increased in the last days. How do we know that’s not what’s happening here?

    What’s really funny to me about this is that I was the biggest skeptic of all when it came to the blood moon theory. I dismissed it out of hand every time someone mentioned it to me all the way up to September 2015. I can honestly say I thought absolutely nothing of it. However, because of a completely separate and unrelated experience during the week of the final lunar eclipse, I began digging into it and became convinced.

    So…not that it should matter to anyone else, but I think I could be coming at all of this from a slightly different perspective.

    Anyway, I’ll keep you posted. 🙂

    • One other issue that I believe anyone assessing the validity of this theory is immediately confronted with is Biltz’s own testimony regarding how he discovered this pattern. It is, after all, the testimony of a professed believer who, as best I can tell, is a genuine and passionate about Christ. The story he tells about the night that all of this entered his mind is very powerful, too, in my opinion.

      There’s no denying the pattern. It is there. It isn’t like a false teaching that you can point directly refute, in my opinion. Even if Biltz were lying about how the series of events that led to its discovery, we still have to do something with the pattern.

      Tetrads in and of themselves are rare, but then you have to factor in 1) not just one, two or three but all four of the eclipses in each of the Tetrads fell on major feast days in perfect symmetry 2) this repeated itself eight times 3) at least eight of creation’s biggest historical events occurred very, very near in time (all things considered) to these Tetrads.

      Staggering, truly staggering. The odds of the above just spontaneously happening plunge way below anything my brain can even comprehend, let alone try to figure out how to calculate.

      Even if someone could accurately calculate the odds, however, there’s still the case of his testimony.

      I guess what I’m saying is that I wouldn’t be too hasty to chalk this little theory up to false teaching. It could be inconclusive, but I don’t think I would call it false.

      Just my opinion.

      • Note: I may be wrong about it repeating eight times. I think it was more like three times, according to Biltz. The odds are still incredibly small, though, for the record. 🙂

        • No, you are right about it occurring eight times in the history as far back as NASA has it, at least that is what I found when I researched it. I’m sure it probably occurred before God put those feasts on those dates too. BIltz only mentions the few that he could tie anything to. On the rest, nothing happened that I could find, that would indicate anything. Which is why I don’t think they portend anything. I think that if there are signs we are supposed to watch for, God tells us what the signs are that we are to watch for. He doesn’t give us signs that He hasn’t explained, that we have no idea what they might mean. The whole point of prophecy is to warn us about specific things. Not give us a sign and let us sit around guessing what it might mean.

          Don’t forget that the feast days are scheduled by God to occur on the full moons. The way the sun and moon orbit, it is just a scientific fact that these tetrads will occur every so many years, and when they do it is inevitable that they will eventually occur on the feast days, because the feast days also occur on the full moon. It’s a matter similar to throwing the dice. Eventually you are going to come up with doubles if you throw them enough times. If the feast days didn’t fall on the full moons, then it would be more of a miracle, but they do.

          And if they were so important, why did not God have them occur before the events instead of after or nearly after it was all over? That problem does not go away, because God always warns well ahead of time. It’s not like He’s not able to control these things. Tying to force fit something just because you want it to mean something doesn’t mean that it does

          The reason they are trying to attach it to the rapture, and the reason it came to Biltz’s attention to begin with, as I understand from listening to some of his interviews on Youtube, is due to the prophecies about the sun going dark and moon turning to blood before the Day of the Lord. I think if you listen, you’ll see that this is what started Mark Biltz on his hunt for this. He saw these tetrads as fulfilling that prophecy, and to prove that they were the signs described in the O.T. and N.T. as the signs of the Day of the Lord beginning, he looked to see if he could somehow tie anything else that happened to Israel to other tetrads, for if he could, then he could say that these meant something too. Since I think he is pre-trib like Hagee, and they erroneously believe the Day of the Lord begins at the start of Daniel’s 70th week, they see the rapture as occurring when these signs come to pass, to kick off the 70th week. There are so many wrong assumptions on this that I am not going to even go into it.

          God is specific about His signs and what they portend. The Bible is full of very specific prophecies. As to why would He give us signs about the rapture, well, if you believe as I do that the rapture and the Lord’s Second Coming are the same event, as Christ described it, the reason He gives us the signs is the same reason He gave them signs for the first coming, so we don’t get deceived or miss it. And of course the disciples asked him what the signs would be. Not that you would miss it like they did the first time, but the biggest reason is so that people aren’t deceived into thinking the antichrist is the Messiah. Christ tells us many times to not be deceived and that if we are watching (the signs) we will know the timing and what is going on, and where we are in the events that will be occurring and what is yet to come. Knowledge is important for God has said “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” Many will perish, because they have not studied what the Bible says, and have bought into all kinds of theories that are going around. It is easier to listen to men whom everyone claims must be right, because they are men of God (even though they all disagree) than study the Bible diligently to rightly divide it.

          Christ said that an evil generation seeks after signs. This is a big part of the problem in the world. They want the fireworks and light displays and supernatural wonders, which the occult and antichrist will give them. And Christians seem to want that too. On the other hand, God expects us to study His word and watch the events He has told us to watch for. People don’t even know what those events are.

          • Is it not possible that the sign of the Darkened SUN and Moon turned into blood have NOTHING to do with the literal Sun and Moon? was not the SUN AND MOON AND STARS typical of ISRAEL in both Josephs Dream in Genesis and also the Book of Revelation chapter 12? Jacon when Joseph told him his dream about the Moon and Sun knew IMMEDIATELY it referred to HIM AND HIS WIFE ! The Twelve Stars represented the TRIBES OF ISRAEL JOSEPHS BRETHREN. Could the Sun darkened and moon turned into blood much more realistically point to the almost total obliteration of Israel during the time of Jacobs troubles aka the Tribulation? Hence the silliness of BLOOD MOON HYSTERIA similar to the nuttiness of Y2K nonsense just shows how far from any real understanding of Bible Prophecy these guys are.

          • Isaiah 60:2 speaks of darkness covering the whole earth at the time when the Lord is about to arise. This leads me to believe that this darkness is literal rather than figurative.

  9. Okay, I just put all of the data into a trusty spreadsheet. I am just about to start slicing and dicing this baby.
    I do see your point about the timing; however, you will probably consider them to be weak but I can think of at least a couple of counter-arguments right off the bat. I will outline everything once I have a chance to look at all of it in detail.

    Some initial observations/thoughts:

    1) Some online lunar calendars are different than others in that they do not guarantee date accuracy prior to such and such year. When I compare the dates from those calendars to NASA’s dates, the feast days do not line up. (e.g.; try converting a date like 26-July-0001 at https://www.hebcal.com and check out the resulting warning message that pops up.)

    2) As I am dumping significant events from world history into my spreadsheet alongside the NASA data, it almost appears that a completely separate narrative could exist on tetrads whose blood moons do not fall on Jewish holy days. I’ve never heard this mentioned, so it is probably unlikely, but in other words, it seems as if there could be a Gentile narrative here, too, if that makes sense.

    3) Even with the timing issue that you mentioned in your response above, given the overwhelmingly vast expanse of time we’re dealing with here (putting it into a spreadsheet really brings this point into perspective), it still seems almost beyond uncanny that things line up like they do.

    Anyway, I’ll respond in more detail once I have a chance to analyze everything. Good stuff; thanks again for your response!

    • When you are checking, be sure to see where these eclipses are seen. They were worthless for Israel if the didn’t even know about them. The only reason they knew about these was because of the technology we have today. In the past they wouldn’t have known at all. And this time around the eclipses didn’t really occur over Israel. So as I said, it kind of makes God look like He can’t get it right when He can’t do something as simple as make the people for whom it is supposed to be an omen actually see it.

  10. I’m not saying your article is wrong here, Wayne, it could very well be correct, and while I deeply appreciate the amount of time and effort that must have gone into writing it, one thing does jump out at me as potentially being problematic. I say ‘potentially’ because I could easily be wrong myself; truth is, I haven’t spent that much time analyzing everything you wrote just yet.

    Anyway, what I see is this: your article appears to analyze the validity of the blood moon theory almost entirely from the standpoint of the rapture event. I don’t know anything about the rapture, I frankly find all of the different theories very confusing and tedious, but it seems odd that the blood moon theory would be tested against an event with so many interpretations and schools of thought surrounding it.

    It seems possible that the blood moon theory could be totally viable and have nothing to do with the rapture, no? I do presently see the blood moon theory as true, and while God could change my opinion on that at any time, I would say that the significance of the recent blood moon tetrad was that it marked the beginning of the Tribulation period (give or take).

    Maybe I’m wrong here, I’ll have to spend some more time reading and thinking about your article, but it seems it might have been more effective to have analyzed it with a simple question mark as your event rather than with so much emphasis on the rapture.

    Regardless, though, thanks for writing it. It’s still a great article; I’m not trying to take anything away from you as far as that’s concerned.

    • I just briefly reviews Wayne’s article, but I think he left out something that might make you see the problem. While Biltz and Hagee tied the Blood Moons to a series of events in the past, in truth none of them actually lined up with the eclipses. In the cases of the earlier events in particular, the eclipses occurred several years after the events in question. I don’t think you can call it a sign if it occurs well after the fact. The whole purpose of an omen is to give you warning. It’s kind of useless if it comes after the event has occurred. It’s really manipulating the truth to try to prove your point (or sell a book) when you do what they did and misrepresent the facts. They simply think they can get away with it, because they don’t think people will ever bother checking out their facts. I’m afraid I am one of those people who doesn’t believe anything unless I go check the facts for myself. For many of the tetrads that have occurred over the centuries, nothing happened at all. Tetrads are a natural occurrence that occur every so often due to the fact that they use a lunar calendar, and the feasts always occur according to the moon’s phase, so there will be times when eclipses happen on the feasts, just because it will eventually work out that way scientifically every so many years, regardless of what is happening to Israel. And if they aren’t occurring over the country for whom they are supposed to be a portent, then what is the point? Kind of useless under those circumstances, isn’t it?

      It is kind of the same with Jonathan Cahn’s theories. I just checked out his 9th of Av theory that someone sent me, because they thought it was so incredible. Yeah, well the problem was, when I checked his facts, none of the events that he claimed happened on the 9th of Av actually happened on the 9th of Av. He lied over and over. But he was very convincing and had I not bothered to check, it was a fascinating theory. It just wasn’t true. Avarice is a mighty inspiration for creating theories and writing books.

  11. Fascinating. All I can say is that I thought the blood moon theory was a hoax until September ’15. Something inexplicable (outside of God) happened to me Sept 21-27, and since then, I have re-evaluated the whole blood moon thing and become fully convinced. I believe Sept 21-27 was the week the Antichrist visited America. I pray I’m wrong. 🙂

    • I am of the opinion that they did not take it literally enough. They just saw it as a simple lunar eclipse, and then multiplied the number in scripture to fit what just happened to back up their theory. This is not what is described in scripture at all. What is described is a single event where the sun and moon are eclipsed at the same time which could only happen if a celestial body comes between the earth and the sun. The description which follows that in Revelation (and some places in the prophets) backs up the idea that it is a comet or planetary type object, or something of that nature with debris in its wake. Something like that would cause earthquakes due to the gravitational pull, it would cause the “stars” (meteors) to fall, the sky to look as though it is rolling up like a scroll as it blots out our view of space, and people thinking the end of the world has come and running for fear to hide. And there apparently will be an asteroid in its tail or wake which drops off onto the earth, specifically the ocean, which then causes tsunamis, the waters to be poisoned, the grass and trees to burn up, etc. Follow that with two different invasions of demonic hordes which people will assume are aliens and you have the scenario that the pope has been telling us is a possibility (which everyone will believe, except those of us who know better), that aliens may come and straighten out our incorrect understanding of the Bible.

      This blood moon scenario (the scriptural one) is all very literal, and actually it has happened before. I am currently reading some books by Immanuel Velikovsky, who takes the scriptures and compares them to the ancient writings of China, India, the Mayans, etc. and finds that what we have all taken to be metaphorical in the books of the prophets was actually very literal back in their day,and describes close calls with comet several times over, and it will happen again. He is not a believer,(although a Russian Jew) yet even he says that the Bible was meant to be taken quite literally and people do not do so. I find that ironic that he takes it literally yet Christians do not. When he wrote these books in the 50’s he was mocked and derided, because he described things about space that the scientists didn’t believe (based on his deductions from the Bible and other writings) and now in the past few years the things he said have been found to be absolutely true. Our planet has been hit before, and will be hit again. And God has told us when and how it will happen. It’s no metaphor, it’s a catastrophe which stops the tribulation in its tracks, as people scurry to survive it all. That’s why Christ said the tribulation will be cut short. This will make people be more concerned about surviving than killing us.

  12. From a Jewish perspective, the significance of the blood moons is misunderstood. The Talmud, which is not Scripture and should not be regarded as etched in stone, states that lunar eclipses are a bad sign for us Jews. History, however, has proven the opposite.

    During the four blood moons of 1493-1494, Jews who had just been expelled from Spain managed to find refuge in other countries, including the newly discovered New World, which has long been a place of refuge for Jews fleeing persecution all over Europe.

    The blood moons of 1949-1950 did not pertain to Israel winning recognition of its statehood from the UN, but that Israel fought and won its independence from the Arabs and formed its own government and organized a standing military force for its defense.

    The blood moons of 1967-1968 were right on target with the 6-Day War and the recapture of Jerusalem.

    So apparently, blood moons falling on Jewish holy days are a sign of deliverance, not impending danger. The prophets of the Old Testament, during the Babylonian Exile had already foretold of persecutions to come for the centuries that followed, so Jews knew well in advance what they were to face. It was just a question of when. That would explain why there were no warning signs for the periods when Jews actually suffered persecution, including the Holocaust. Despite its enormity, the Holocaust was just another instance of persecution of Jews that had already been happening for centuries.

    As a Jew, I sincerely believe that major events will soon occur regarding Israel and the Jewish people. Perhaps the Temple will be rebuilt and the ingathering of Jews from all four corners of the Earth (Ezekiel 39:28). But it won’t be the end of the physical world as we know it. Instead, it will be the beginning of a new era for all of humanity. It may not play out like it’s written in the New Testament, but it’s a safe bet that major historical events will take place. We’ll all have to wait and see.

  13. Just a small point, the conjunction of Passover, Sukkot and lunar eclipses isn’t exactly coincidental. Both can only happen at a full moon. So EVERY lunar eclipse has a one in six chance of falling on Passover and Sukkot. Further the eclipses in a tetrad are spaced six lunar months apart, just like passover and sukkot.

  14. The 6000 years will end year 2028.

    Then the millennium will start.

    http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Mishpatim/Eved-Ivri/eschatology2.gif

    It is 1656 years from Adam to the flood and 2317 years until the birth of Yeshua.

    http://www.annomundi.com/history/travels_of_noah.htm

    When the waters of the flood subsided, the Ark rested on a high hill called Gordicus in Armenia. Noah and his family, eight people altogether, came out of the ship, 833 years before the foundation of Troy and 2317 years before the birth of Christ.

    Still there is 14 years left. Very many expect something to happen i year 2017.

    That is wrong. It is important to understand the correct jubileecycle.

    http://www.marieslibrary.com/PDF_Articles/SabJub.pdf

    http://revelation1910.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/the-sign-of-jonah-revelation-level.jpg

    First of all Antichrist has to return.

    http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000397.htm
    http://bki.no/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3642

    Antichrist is Israels best friend that will deceive them.

    Obama has soon to leave office.

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/03/investigator-unloads-earthshaking-info.html

    Yeshua will return to the mount of Olives and will be KIng over the whole earth.

    He will enter through the East gate .

    http://templemountfaithful.org/articles/gershon-salomon-and-the-1967-six-day-war.php

    “He asked us to allow him to guide us on the Temple Mount. When we asked him why he wanted to do this he told us that G‑d sent him to show us the location of the Jewish Temple and to tell us that the G‑d of Israel had returned the Temple Mount to his children Israel. He took us to the Dome of the Rock, showed us the rock, and said that this is the location of the Holy of Holies. Then he took us to the Eastern Gate and said the Messiah, the seed of David, will come from here. He said that even in the Koran it is written that G‑d will redeem His chosen people Israel and will return them to their place on the Temple Mount. He said: “You can see with your own eyes that the time has come and I am sure that Israel will soon rebuild the Temple.”

  15. Clearly the Tetrad of 1914-1915 does not signal the Rapture. I never thought it did. However, when you consider that 1915 is a Shmita year and you consider what happened in the last 2 Shmita years, 2001 and 2008, when the world’s financial system almost collapsed (read The Harbinger), we may indeed see something very significant happen in the year 2015. My guess is Israel will be at the center of whatever happens since the Tetrad occurs during a Shmita year on Jewish festival days.

  16. p.s Look up on NASA the length of the time passing of each of these.
    You’ll find the Apr 4, 2015, looks a lot different than the other three.

  17. How do you define in today’s terms the abomination of desolation (standing in the holy place) and great tribulation?

    abomination: hatred towards;
    desolation: grief, sadness, loneliness
    tribulation: distress or suffering as a result of oppression or persecution (threshing)
    You are a bright young man & find your blog touching as a sincere reaching to understand God.
    Many “experts” try to put things in logical orders and timelines to gain understanding. But the whole point of revelation is in the word itself…to be revealed; at the time it will be understood. For when a mystery is revealed, it is no longer unknown. “For upon this rock, I will build my church”, Jesus said to Peter when he answered, “Who do you think I am? only could he give the answer by revelation from the Father.
    He gave the moon, sun & stars as signs…so maybe we look for too much human logic and reasoning within them. Rather we keep it in our hearts & minds to be revealed and just ‘look up to Him’?

  18. Thanks for putting in your two cents. Your timelength for the sixth trumpet is interesting. It’s not the only time I’ve seen it so I might have to give it stronger consideration.

  19. The evaluation of whether the trumpets begin at the fifth is still ongoing. The passage I cite would go against the idea of starting the vials anytime before the seventh trumpet, which was something I was evaluating.

    • Hi Wayne,

      Regarding the idea of taking a non-linear view of the end time line, try to analyze this two Scriptures:

      Rev. 6:14 – Seal 6
      The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled ip, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

      Rev. 16:20 – Vial 7
      Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found.

      Is it possible that the islands and mountains can be removed and cannot be found anymore twice, if this event happens at the same place or part of the earth?

      Does the word EVERY means ALL?

      Does the word REMOVED and FLED AWAY means GONE?

      From within the Chapter of these Two Scriptures:

      What is the Great Earthquake and the Severe Earthquake John is talking about?

      How about the Sun getting dark and the Moon turning Red? Does this happens too at the Second Coming of Christ?

      What about the Kings, Princes, Mighty Men,…Are they the same men who were gathered for the battle in Armageddon? Do they actually saw in their own eyes the Face of Him who sits on the Throne. How come they were the ones who get to see Jesus Christ first and not the Dead in Christ and Alive in Christ?

      What is the Wrath of the Lamb? Is it the Sword that came out of the mouth of the Rider on the Horse? Rev. 19

      Something to seriously think about.

      • In Addition,

        How could the Kings, Princes, Mighty Men, and even other People who witnessed and survived this event manage still to receive the mark and even allied with the antichrist in the battle of armageddon? How could they have ignored the fact that they were fearful and dreadful to see the fierceness and wrath of the Lamb, when they were about to be pressured to take the mark of the beast if we think that seal 6 happens before the trumpet and the bowls judgement?

        Then in Chapter 7, the narrative of the resurrection and rapture of the 144,000 and the Great Multitude followed after Seal 6. Why is this so?

        If we assume then, with our answers to the above questions, that Seal 6 is the Great Tribulation, the Second Advent, and the First Resurrection, then what would Seal 7 can be made out of?

        I believe that the entire prophetic end time line starts from Ascension up to the end of the Millennium.

        The Half an Hour (1 John 2:18) Silence in Heaven is the Millennium, the thousand years of peace on earth while satan is bound in the abyss and were restrained from not making any trouble during that time. Time on Earth is not relative to Heaven.

        In Rev. 11, it said that the Mystery of God will be complete. The Mystery of God is Christ. It is through His Son Jesus Christ, God’s plan of salvation and justice is fully entrusted and executed.

        It is not the Church that is the Mystery of God, it is Christ (Col. 2:1-3). The Mystery of the Church is their Faith. The Mystery of their Faith is the Gospel.

        Isn’t it that Jesus Christ’s mission of executing salvation and justice to mankind, and destroying all the enemies, death, and sin, and the handing over of all the kingdoms, power, and authorities, will happen at the very end of the age/time? Not at the Second Coming and First Resurrection but at the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT were judging, rewarding, and punishment will be executed? Will this finally complete the Mystery of God?

        Then Chapter 12, the beginning of another narrative of the same entire prophetic end time line presented in a different manner, and ends up to Chapter 20.

        Something to really seriously think about.

  20. You said something earlier about starting the trumpets after the 5th seal though and somehow having the 7th trumpet and sixth seal converge, still keeping the trumpets and vials distinct. Have you set aside that idea or not. It would still leave the vials after the 7th trumpet if I understood you correctly.

  21. It certainly would be a drastic change. One that I must admit eludes me without rearranging God’s order of things and possibly spiritualizing others. That’s why I am interested in seeing how you would achieve it. I just can’t break myself away from literalism enough to do see it any other way. I just figure God wanted all the people in those seven churches that it originally went out to (as well as all of us) to understand, so as it is already quite bizarre, He would keep it simple otherwise. Like Occam’s razor.

  22. I don’t think it’d take THAT long if I conclude that a non-linear view is better. I only mentioned the page length to give you an idea of how reluctant I am to make such a drastic change in a position.

  23. I have over 400 + pages of writing that will need to be rewritten if I conclude that a non-linear view is better. That’s a lot of work to do, so I will be very careful in my evaluation.

  24. No, I’m thinking of the seals being opened in order without the involvement of the trumpets and vials up until a certain point (i.e. the 5th seal). Then the trumpets begin to sound. Then the vials begin to pour (vials and trumpets still are distinct) At the end of this hypothetical chronology there would be a sort of convergence involving the sixth seal, seventh seal, seventh trumpet, and seventh vial judgment.

    One of the key items I’m looking at in this hypothetical timeline is how much similarity is there between passages that pertain to the sixth seal timeframe and the timeframe pertaining to the sounding of the seventh trumpet. Some of the key passages I plan to look at in this evaluation pertain to the end time siege of Jerusalem. I’ve seen followers of the Pre-Wrath Rapture viewpoint link the siege to the sixth seal timeframe while my own investigations links its termination to the time surrounding the seventh trumpet

  25. I know how crazy it sounds. I referred to what I was evaluating as an “insane scenario” when I told my dad about what I was thinking. However, he didn’t think it was so crazy when I explained some of what I was pondering to him.

    • Hi Wayne,

      You are looking for another revelation timeline? Here is an email I sent to my couples bible study group. You might want to analyze this:

      Hi Bros and Sis,

      Since most of us already has awareness of the nearness of the prophetic end times, I guess it is time for me to share to you my views and insights about the end times.

      I am going to share with you a very important key point in the book of revelation that will somehow give you another idea of the timeline for the book of Revelation. The most popular prevailing view on the Revelation Timeline is, the events in the Book of Revelation is understood as chronological in fulfillment and in execution.

      I have been a prophecy student for only six years now and I hope this will not be a cause to ignore my different view on the timeline. I am just hoping that you would help me debunk my view and convince me that I am wrong, My intention is really to find the truth and have this truth shared to others especially during this deceptive end times.

      First of, here is my understanding of the Tribulation period:

      Jer. 30:3-7 does not say that the time of Jacob’s trouble is 7 years.

      The first 3.5 years was already fulfilled by Jesus Christ as described in Daniel 9:27. Through the death of Jesus, the sacrifice and offering was abolished. On the east wing of the temple, the abomination and desolation referred to here is the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Daniel 11:31,32 is where the Antichrist will appear at the Temple to desecrate it by his armies, and to set up the abomination and desolation, and this is the one that Jesus warned us of on Matthew 24:15. Jesus confirms His Holy Covenant for 1 seven, the remaining half will be in the future. In the case of the Antichrist, he will forsake and vent his fury on the Holy Covenant for 3.5 years (42 months, 1260 days), Daniel 11:30, his version of Daniel 9:27. Remember that Satan will counterfeit all that is prophesied in the end times to make the antichrist appear as the messiah. The 7 years of tribulation view is being promoted by Satan maybe because there will be a 3.5 years fake tribulation and a dummy antichrist.

      Having said that last statement, in order that I will not somehow offend or create an uproar on this, in case, here is a biblical principle to guide us:

      Matthew 16:15-17
      15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

      Few verses after…

      Matthew 16:22-23

      22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
      23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

      The same mouth that glorified Jesus Christ is the same mouth that insulted Jesus Christ. Most of the time we put ourselves in Peter’s shoes.

      Peter is not Satan, so as the false teachers and false prophets of today.

      So you see, not all truths or revelation are given all to just one prophecy student. We are all vessels and channels of God’s truth and revelation depending on the nature of our heart’s desires and concerns. Let us help one another to put the puzzle pieces together as one Body of Christ.

      If we are searching for truth to proved that we are right, there is a certain kind of spirit that guides our understanding of scriptures. But if we are searching for the truth to gain knowledge, wisdom, and freedom, for us and for others too, then that is another kind of spirit.

      Now here is my take on the Half Hour Silence in Heaven which will make an entirely different view on the timeline of Revelation:

      1. 1 John 2:18, Dear children, this is the LAST HOUR; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW many antichrists have come. THIS IS HOW we know it is the LAST HOUR.
      2. Revelation 8:1,When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about HALF AN HOUR.

      We know that the writer of 1John and Revelation is John the Apostle. It is obvious that John holds the same understanding of what hour was to him for both the above scriptures that he revealed. So is it safe to assume that the LAST HOUR that he is telling us is 2,000 years in duration assuming that the antichrist will appear in our time? Does HALF AN Hour could mean then as 1,000 years? If so, then it could probably mean that the HALF AN HOUR silence in Heaven is the Millennium. What do you think?

      So with this key point, definitely the timeline will be entirely different from the popular and prevailing ones. I divide the book of Revelation into two segments, Revelation 2 to 11 and Revelation 12 to 21, both having the essence and substance of the entire prophetic timeline, from the time of Jesus Christ, to the time of the Israel/Churches, the Great Tribulation, The Resurrection and Rapture, The Second Advent, The Millennium, up to The White Throne Judgement. Its like looking at it in two different angles.

      Please bear with me as I present to you my timeline:

      Seals 1 to 4 begun at Ascencion/Pentecost and continuous on up to the end of Seal 6, which is the great tribulation (As Jesus described that the preaching of the Gospel, wars, death from wild animals, economic woes, famines, pestilence, earthquakes will continue on before the end). the Seven Bowls Judgement and Armageddon happening within Seal 6. Rev. 6:1-8,13-17

      The Key verses that validates the Seven Bowls Judgement happening on the Sixth Seal are this:

      Revelation 16:20-21
      20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones,each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

      Revelation 6:14
      12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
      14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

      Continuing on…

      Seal 5 begun from death of Stephen up to the last Saint to be martyred in the Great Tribulation. Rev. 6:9-12

      Seal 7 as I explained above, begins at the start of the millennium Rev. 8. The silence in Heaven is the millennium, a thousand year of peace. At the end of the millennium, Satan will be released from the Abyss (Rev. 20:7) to deceive the nations again.

      Trumpets 1 to 4 happens at the end of the millennium, it is the destruction of a third of trees, grass, sea, waters, and a third of the celestial objects are struck.

      Trumpet 5 is when Satan was released from the Abyss and Locust-Like Creatures torturing those who does not have the seal of God on their foreheads (entirely different from those with the mark of the beast on their foreheads which were described in the bowl judgement happening at the end of the great tribulation, while those who are sealed by God were present at the Great Tribulation and lived on through the Millennium).

      Trumpet 6 is Gog and Magog to kill a third of mankind, led by Satan. Ezekiel 38.

      The Angel and the Little Scroll Rev. 10, which is entirely different from the Scroll and the Lamb of Rev. 5, is about PROPHESYING AGAIN by the Two Witness at the end of the millennium. Probably Moses and Elijah could be them, their Spirit indwelt on the two prophet that will be anointed on that time. ( Like John the Baptist having the Spirit of Elijah)

      SOULS under the ALTAR, because they are still on earth/grave Rev. 6:9 (Heaven is my throne and the Earth is my footstool), is different from the SAINTS on the GOLDEN ALTAR before the Throne, because they are already in the Millennium Rev. 8:3,4

      The Saints will be the Royal Priesthood during the Millennium Rev. 20:6, Jesus Christ as their King. They were not judged yet but they were given authority to judge Rev. 20:4. The Saints will only then become kings over the nations after they received their crowns at the Great White Throne Judgement Rev. 21:24.

      The Two Witness, I believe are the ones who will cause all the plagues of the Trumpets Judgement at the end of the Millennium. (Like during the time of Moses, and again this time the Remnant Israel will witness it again) Rev 11:4-6

      Trumpet 7 is the Great White Throne Judgement, Rev.11:15-19, Rev. 20:11-14 , the second resurrection, where the dead will be judged(sheep and goat, based on Works written in the books that were opened and on the names that were written in the Book of Life), and the saints and prophets judged for their rewards (crowns will be given to them). Judgement Seat of Christ (termed by Paul) and The Great White Throne (termed by John) is the same. Throne and Seat by definition is the same in meaning. (John and Paul, during their time, were not given the opportunity to collaborate on this, given their circumstances)

      What makes Seven Bowls different from the Seven Trumpet that made it appear happening in two different timelines? Here are my keypoints.

      Bowls happens at the Great Tribulation / Trumpets happens at the end of the Millennium

      Bowls : Mark of the Beast
      Trumpets: Those who does not have the Seal of God (No mention of mark of the beast)

      Bowls : Beast and False Prophet
      that come out from the Sea/Earth
      Dragon hurled DOWN from Heaven
      Rev. 12 & 13
      Trumpets: Angel(Satan) of the Abyss / Beast (Satan) that come UP
      from the Abyss (Rev. 20) Apollyon, Abaddon

      Bowls : No mention of Abyss
      Trumpets: Abyss mentioned Thrice.

      Bowls : Gog and Magog in Armageddon Ez. 39
      Seven Years of Burning Weapons and
      Seven Months of Burying carried over
      through the Millennium,
      God’s Holy Name made known to Israel
      Corpse given to the Birds

      Trumpets: Gog and Magog Ez.38, Unwalled City,
      People living in Safety, Recovered from War,
      (This is not the true condition of Israel today even up to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ)
      God’s Holy Name made known to the Nations
      No Mention of Corpse given to Birds

      Bowls : Before Armageddon, Dead in Christ/Saints came to life Rev. 16:15,
      the rest of the dead did not come to life Rev. 20:5
      so the rest of the dead were not judged yet.
      This is the First Resurrection
      Trumpets: White Throne Judgement, Rev. 20:11
      Time to judge the Dead and Reward the Saints and the Prophets, Rev. 11:18
      This is the Second Resurrection

      Bowls : Tremendous earthquake, Cursed God Rev.16:17-20
      Trumpets: Severe Earthquake, gave Glory to God Rev. 11:13

      Timing of the Rapture

      I placed the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ and the Rapture of the Alive in Christ in between the Sixth Bowl and the Seventh Bowl. No need to twist or understood it allegorically, because all the elements are there. Here are the Key Verses:

      Rev. 21:9 is about The New Jerusalem, the Bride, the Wife (Married already) of the Lamb (this is after the end of the Millennium, and start of the New Heaven and New Earth)

      9 ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO HAD THE SEVEN BOWLS full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the BRIDE, the WIFE of the Lamb.”
      (I hope you don’t have another bride in mind, like what pretribbers did to Matthew 24:29,30, making it the second rapture/resurrection, which they say is still an integral part of the first resurrection of Rev. 20. Jesus will get His Bride one time only, not several times)

      Question:
      Why does it have to be ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO HAD THE SEVEN BOWLS, be the one appointed by Jesus to show to John the BRIDE? Why not one of the seven angels who had the trumpets, or the Seals, or Michael, or Gabriel, or any other angel?

      Answer:
      Checkout Rev. 16:12-15
      12 THE SIXTH ANGEL POUR OUT HIS BOWL on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

      15 “LOOK, I COME LIKE A THIEF! Blessed is the one who stays awake (WISE VIRGINS? AND/OR THE WEDDING GUESTS?) and remains clothed (OIL/HOLY SPIRIT), so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.” Matthew 22

      16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

      What is the relevance of this proclamation of Jesus Christ. Why the insertion of this verse 15 prior to the next verses which are about the punishment of the Great Whore (exactly the opposite of the Bride) and the battle of Armageddon?

      The Book of Revelation is the story of God’s plan of salvation, grace, and justice to humanity in the end times and through eternity. This is where we can truly see the big picture. Match it with Jesus Christ’s Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Then the 10 Virgins (144,000/Tribulation Saints?), the Talents of the Servants (Wedding Guests/Dead in Christ?), The Sheep and the Goats (Risen Dead judged and some saved in the White Throne Judgement/The Nations in New Heaven and New Earth?) in Matthew 25.

      I hope this one makes sense to you, though this one is a new and radical view, and I have not encountered of anything like this through my research in so many prophecy websites I visited. I already posted this to several prophecy websites and it received so many resistance and objections, I was even accused of changing and adding to the Word of God.

      I would appreciate your comment and more importantly, your loving correction of this view.

      Your Brother In Christ,

      Eric

  26. If anyone could make me see a non-linear view, it would be you, so I await your explanation, because on the surface it seems to fly in the face of the approach of taking things at face value. I can’t even wrap my mind around it. But I’m open to hearing it.

  27. I understand that it is very difficult to see. That is why I’m being very cautious with what I’m evaluating. I too have had difficulties understanding a non-linear view because it is much easier to understand a linear view. Please don’t think I’ve gone crazy. It will take a lot of scriptural proof for me to switch from a linear to a non-linear view on the seals, trumpets, and vials, so it’s very possible I will again side with your chronology and reject the one I’m evaluating.

  28. I read those days in a completely different way, but I see how you came to your conclusion. I’ve heard that interpretation before.

    When Daniel asks how long it will be until the END of ALL these things, (I am assuming he means to the end of God’s wrath) he is told “from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the
    abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two
    hundred and ninety days” I take it to mean that the day that the sacrifice is stopped and the abomination set up, which seems to me to happen on the same day, there will be 1290 days.

    The way I grammatically read the verse, I see the start of the 1290 days to the very end (Armageddon – the last vial) as beginning at the abomination (which I understand to be the same day as the stopping of the sacrifices). I find it works out perfectly that way, for we know it is 1260 days from the abomination until the 7th trumpet, so that gives 30 days for the resurrection/rapture, Bema seat, Marriage, and vial judgments to be poured out and end it all.

    As I believe the last trumpet (day 1260) is blown on the Feast of Trumpets or Rosh Hashanah, the chronology would work well to end 75 days later on Hanukkah. The reasoning being that the fall feasts would have the following fulfillments. Yom Kippur which Jews consider the holy day that the books are closed and God’s wrath will commence would be fulfilled by the vials. The Feast of Tabernacles – which is about the gathering of the harvest and in Jewish tradition is associated with a wedding would be fulfilled by the wedding of Jesus and the church.

    Then on day 1335 at Hanukkah when the temple was rededicated, and knowing that God uses the holy days multiple times for the same type of events (original Passover – Christ’s death as fulfillment, both temples destroyed on the 9th of Av), I find it makes perfect sense to think He would fulfill the rededicating of the temple on the same day again, just as He used all the other holy days the first time as a foreshadow of a bigger event. The fulfillment would be the commencement of the millennial reign of Christ, which is why anyone who makes it to that day is blessed, as they will go into the millennium.

    As we are told to look to Daniel to understand the abomination from the first abomination by Antiochus Epiphanes, to foreshadow the beasts’ actions, so I think the cleaning and rededication of the temple the first time was a foreshadow of the rededicating of the temple mount or Jerusalem, or whatever to God and Christ’s reign. It made more sense to me both grammatically as well as association with the feasts to think that when the angel said “from this AND this” meant that both events happened on the same day, since the angel did not indicate a different time by saying “from this and then later from that.”

    Just how I read it, that’s all. God didn’t come down and tap me on the head and say, “You’re right.” lol

  29. I am trying not to be closed-minded about things, because I know I am not infallible, but I cannot fathom how the trumpets which are in the seventh seal can come before all six seals are opened before it, and how the vials, which are said to be in the seventh trumpet could come before the six trumpets before it are finished, especially since just before the fifth trumpet the announcement is made that there are three woes (the 5th, 6th, and 7th trumpets) to go yet. That would seem to make it chronological, would it not? And if the vials are in the 7th trumpet, how could they be poured out before the other trumpets are finished.The only way I have been able to see it making sense so far is like the outline for a term paper. Roman numerals I-VII are the seals. Under VII we have A – G, the trumpets. Under G we have 1-7, the vials. To put the vials before all the trumpets or even part of them would mean that the 7th trumpet is opened before the 1st or 3rd or whatever, which is not the way John describes it. Likewise to put the trumpets before all the seals are open would mean that Christ is not opening the seals in the order given. I just don’t see how people are doing it. It becomes highly convoluted and confusing at that point, and I don’t think God is the author of confusion. He has always seemed to me to like to do things in an orderly way. I may be wrong, but it just makes sense to me as is, so why mess with it?

  30. Hi Connie
    The great tribulation is only 45 days in length
    You can calculate this from Daniel 12 verse 11 and 12. It states that when the first 1260 days ends there will a additional 30 days or a month before the abomination of desolation is set up This gives 1290 days. This is 30 days into the 2nd 1260 day period. It then says happy are those who comes to the 1335 days which is 45days from the 1290 days. As other scriptures like Matt 24 tells us that the great tribulation starts when the idol is placed in the temple it can easily be deduced that this period is the length of the tribulation

  31. It’s impossible if one adheres to a strict linear chronology. One of the things I’m looking at in my evaluation is whether it is correct to adhere to a strict linear chronology. I understand the attractiveness of seeing the seals, trumpets, and vials occurring in linear fashion since that is how I tend to see things. However, some argue that those events do not occur linearly. I’m evaluating that argument.

  32. I’m curious. How did you come to the 40 months? That would mean a 2 month tribulation. I know there is at least a five month gap, because the 5th trumpet lasts 5 months, but I could not find anything to say when the great tribulation ends and the 6th seal signs begin. I agree the 7th trumpet is after the 1260 days, at the end of the 70th week.

  33. As I said, it was pure speculation. Here is what brought me to that hypothesis. The word “heaven” can refer to the atmosphere of earth and outer space, as well as the abode of God in Scripture. As I assume the saints will be living in New Jerusalem after the resurrection, because we have been told Christ is preparing a place for us to live (in my Father’s house are many mansions), and as Christ will be here and we are to reign with him during the millennium, we must be somewhere close by.

    As Revelation says the city does not come down to earth where the kings of the earth can bring their honor into it until after the millennium and the implication is that the sun goes out in the vials, I sort of deduced the idea that New Jerusalem is a satellite city, near enough for us to go to work, far enough to keep the people of earth out, which being of crystalline composition, God’s glory would shine out of it like a sun.

    As our bodies will be like Christ’s and he was not bound by the same law of physics that we presently are (could disappear and reappear at a distance place instantaneously and ascended into the sky) I assumed living up in a satellite city would not be a problem for the saints. And it would keep people on earth who had no business being in it from trying to enter into it. It seemed a logical deduction from what I could piece together. But obviously it could be all wrong too. Maybe we will have to come down from heaven every day to go to work.

    I think we can assume that we will be living in New Jerusalem, as that is what the Bridegroom does when he goes home before the wedding. He prepares a place for the newlyweds to live. That’s why a bridegroom can’t know the day or hour he is coming to get the bride, because until his father gives the thumbs up that he feels the place is all done and the son can go to get his bride, the son just has to keep working on it.

  34. That’s interesting Connie has I have had similar thoughts about our sun going supernova using the same scriptures that you mentioned. Satan being in charge of the sun is a interesting aspect and could very well be true.

    However I have trouble with the placement of New Jerusalem as Rev:21 states it come down after the millennium when God himself comes to Earth but I wonder where the Saints will be living before that happens.

  35. That’s going to be impossible for you to marry up the 7th trumpet with the 6th seal seeing they happen 40 months apart.

    The 7th trumpet actually happen at the end of Daniel’s 70th week and after the two witnesses are taken up to heaven.

  36. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. It’s helpful. I like to look at what a variety of people think and see if there are ideas that I can glean from them.

  37. The sun does get darkened again in the fifth vial. It comes after it gets hotter (seven times hotter according to the O.T.) and scorches men with heat in the fourth vial. It almost sounds like the sun expands and collapses in on itself? Nova? I’m not a scientist so don’t know all the terminology. The sun going dark would also make the moon go dark. Which might explain why New Jerusalem is a satellite city that provides the light for the earth during the millennium. I realize that people say that it will be thousands or millions of years before our sun did that, but not if it’s part of God’s plan. I have wondered – given that God has assigned angel overseers to all the stars, which is why they are called stars, if Satan is the overseer of the sun. He is called the son of the morning in Is. 14. One of the most prevalent symbols of pagan worship is the sun, which represents Satan. He is the covering cherub, but we have always assumed that meant covering the throne of God. It says he is the covering cherub from the midst of the stones of fire. What if he is the covering cherub of the earth and is the sun’s overseer? As the source of light and power (solar) for the earth, he would have been by far the most important of all angels, for the earth cannot live without the sun. Hence pride. He saw the earth as his dominion, yet it was given to Adam. He is still the prince and power of the air. If this is perchance true, then as he will be sentenced to be bound for 1000 years, he would not be around to oversee the sun, and God would want to obliterate the symbol that stood for him in pagan worship. With New Jerusalem in place around the earth, light would be provided for the earth after the darkness of the fifth vial. Again, it’s just a speculation.

    I don’t know what other thoughts or reasons you might have so I’m just sharing my thoughts. I will anxiously await your thoughts when you are ready to share them.

  38. I should have added earlier that I currently associate Joel 2 and Joel 3 with the end time siege of Jerusalem, and I currently believe that the end time siege of Jerusalem will begin near the end of the 1260 days that Jerusalem will be trodden by the Gentiles (near the sounding of the 7th trumpet). Those two chapters seem to describe the military force attacking Jerusalem as the Day of the Lord signs begin to appear. This is another reason why I’m wondering if the 6th seal is linked with the 7th trumpet unless the signs appear twice.

  39. I am well aware of that line of thought since it was my own for quite a long time. What do you make of Revelation 14:15-18? It’s a passage that I think is difficult to deal with for followers of the Pre-Wrath position.

  40. I beg to differ here with the 7th trumpet as it is clear from scripture that the Rapture occurs at the 6th seal. The trumpets are not sounded until the 7th seal is open and the main group of saints are in heaven at this time. The 7th trumpet in Revelation can’t possibly be the last trump in Thessalonians

    You will also notice that the saints return with Jesus in Rev :19 therefore this confirms that they were taken to heaven previously. Which was back in Rev:7

    So in effect Jesus has to Return two more times which many people can’t get their head around but until they do they will not understand Revelation correctly

  41. I agree that the 7th trumpet is where the Rapture can be found. That can be supported by many verses in the New Testament and in the Old Testament (especially Psalm 50 and Psalm 97). The issue I’m still trying to grasp is the 6th seal.

    My understanding is that you see people’s reaction to the 6th seal as a declaration of wrath by man instead of from heaven (therefore it is not God’s wrath). I can see that point as man has constantly misinterpreted events. Also, a few others argue that there is a distinction between a red moon in the 6th seal and a darkened moon that occurs just prior to Christ’s coming.

    However, the parallels between the 6th seal passage in Revelation 6 and the passages about the approaching Day of the Lord are very strong, particularly in Isaiah 2 and Isaiah. I suppose it was the strength of these parallels that helped me to accept the Pre-wrath position when I was younger. Given the parallels, I’m testing the theory that some overlap takes place between the seals and trumpets, particularly at the sixth seal and 7th trumpet. It doesn’t mean I’ll accept the idea.

  42. They ignore the words “elect” and “saints” as if we’ve never been called those things. Amazing isn’t it?

    The word “Bible” isn’t in the Bible either. lol

  43. The only place I’ve been able to reconcile everything was to take God at His word and put it where Paul told us it is, at the last trump. Funny how when you go to the last trumpet, you find the kingdoms of the world become Christ’s, (He dethrones Satan and takes the world back at the end of the 1260 days), the dead and saints are judged and rewarded, (resurrection/rapture – Bema seat) and the wrath of God (vials) is announced (we are not appointed to wrath so are taken out before the vials of God’s wrath falls on mankind). All these things which we associate with the return of Christ and the resurrection/rapture event are found at the last trumpet. Could Occam’s razor be right? It’s simply that simple and Paul told us exactly where it is and we’ve made it far too difficult, thinking God is trying to trick us?

  44. I’ve been studying various Rapture timelines and viewpoints in the past week, and it’s my impression that there’s not a perfect Rapture view/timeline yet. For instance, I can see flaws in the classic “Pre-wrath” view and I can see flaws in a classic “Post-Trib” view. I suspect the “correct” Rapture view might combine elements from each.

  45. It is frustrating that a lot of people follow the teachings of others without verifying what they’ve been taught and then spend the time they could have used to verify what they’ve been taught arguing with those who spent the time to verify things.

    The idea that there’s not going to be a rapture because the word doesn’t appear in the Bible is like the Pre-Trib argument that the church isn’t going to deal with the persecution of Antichrist just because the word “church” doesn’t appear after Revelation 3.

  46. Thank you, Robert, for the encouraging words. It’s a pleasant change in the type of response I usually elicit.

    I agree that while the resurrection and rapture happen
    close to each other, they are not exactly the same. We don’t know
    exactly how much time is in between the two. It may not be as
    simultaneous as we have ordinarily been taught to think. It is clearly
    stated to be a two-staged event.

  47. I don’t know about Wayne, but I find it somewhat frustrating that people who just repeat what their pastors preach without checking the Scriptures, as good Bereans should to see if it is true, go around saying there is no rapture when the Scriptures clearly teach otherwise. I agree there is no PRE-TRIB rapture, but that is not the same as A rapture. And the supposed proof is because the word “rapture” doesn’t appear in the Bible. I’ll play along. I don’t need the word “rapture” to prove the concept, so there is no need to go into what I have gone into before on this blog explaining the etymology of the word. Let’s call it what it is called in Greek, the “harpazo”, the being “caught up” in the air (Which is what the word “rapture” has been coined in the common usage to mean, for all you sticklers.).

    Again we must look to see what God ACTUALLY says in the Scriptures.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
    voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
    Christ shall RISE first: Then we which are alive and
    remain shall be CAUGHT UP (harpazo) together with them in the….. CLOUDS….., to meet the
    Lord….. IN……THE….. AIR…..: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

    Matthew 24:31 ” And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they
    shall gather together his elect from the four WINDS, from one end of HEAVEN (in the air) to the other.”

    Mark 13:27 “And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect
    from the four WINDS, FROM the uttermost part of the EARTH, TO the
    uttermost part of HEAVEN.”

    Is it that hard to understand what the phrase “in the air” and the words “clouds” and “heaven” mean? It means up in the sky. Not on the ground. Is there still anyone who does not understand what these concepts mean?

    When the Lord returns at His Second Coming, He gathers (via angels) the elect to meet Him…. in the AIR. This is the only definition of the word “harpazo”, otherwise colloquially known as ……….(cue evil music) …..”the rapture”. Ooooooooh. (Sorry I couldn’t resist). I believe it is the pre-trib harpazo you object to. You cannot object to a simple “harpazo” as the Scriptures clearly say we will be gathered to meet Christ IN THE AIR. That is all “harpazo” otherwise known as “rapture” means. To be caught up “in the air.” It is only when you put a label before the word that it changes the definition by adding a timing to the event. Let us not throw out the baby with the bathwater please.

  48. Actually, you can read in the Bible that Christians really go through the tribulation, but they won’t go through God’s wrath. It’s a mistake to equate the tribulation with God’s wrath. The tribulation is Satan (the dragon) casted down to earth, persecuting Christians worldwide. The wrath is God taking his vengeance on him and all his servants. The wrath can’t come before the tribulation of the saints ends, because the vials of the wrath of God become full just because of the tribulation of the saints. Read Rev 6 and 15. In 15:2 you can clearly see that those killed during the tribulation, the persecution by the beast, are up in the heavens, not dead (like they were in Rev 6:9, under the altar) but resurrected. If you call the rapture resurrection, you can’t imagine Rev 15-16 – the wrath of God – taking place before it! So, the rapture must take place between the persecution and the wrath of God, not after both of them.

    • In Revelation 16, the pouring out of God’s Final wrath, Jesus still has not returned yet. Revelation 16:15, Jesus states
      “behold I am coming as a thief”
      Jesus does not return until charter 19.

  49. assumptions based on assumptions! . Suppose everything we were taught on dispensationslism/2 covenant/Left Behind dogma is a farce? Plenty of evidence in the plain reading of scripture for post trib rapture (I prefer term resurrection seeing as its actually found in the Bible – “rapture” is not) and one Covenant theology (go ahead, accuse me of anti semitism if u must), and ONE coming of Jesus and, wait for it…..wait for it…. a church under one eternal covenant that actually has to go through the tribulation!

    “But wait, that is heresy man! The church cannot go through God’s wrath.”

    Ummm, no. That line of reasoning falls flat because the pre trib doctrine has christians who got “saved” after the rapture enduring God’s wrath – they just arent part of the church because God is going to change the covenant after the rapture.Really? Im the heretic?

  50. Assumptions based on assumptions based on assumptions. Suppose everything we were taught on dispensationslism/2 covenant/Left Behind dogma is a farce? Plenty of evidence in the plain reading of scripture for post trib rapture (I prefer term resurrection seeing as its actually found in the Bible – “rapture” is not) and one Covenant theology (go ahead, accuse me of anti semitism if u must), and ONE coming of Jesus and, wait for it…..wait for it…. a church under one eternal covenant that actually has to go through the tribulation!

    “But wait, that is heresy man! The church cannot go through God’s wrath.”

    Ummm, no. That line of reasoning falls flat because the pre trib doctrine has christians who got “saved” after the rapture enduring God’s wrath – they just arent part of the church because God is going to change the covenant after the rapture.Really? Im the heretic?

  51. Good article again!
    I think it’s funny that many people who accept this “four blood moons theory” (I wouldn’t even call it a theory but let’s be liberal) don’t realize it’s not a self-evident thing that the biblical sign of the Lord’s coming (“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.”) is equal to common lunar/solar eclipses. I think it isn’t.
    The biblical text clearly states that these signs will be great, unrivalled anything in the past. One cannot mistake them for quite usual things as a solar eclipse (sun goes dark for only a few minutes till the moon gets out of the way) or a lunar eclipse (moon goes dark for a few hours till it gets out of the shadow of the earth). These signs are supposed to announce the most epic event of the world’s history! That’s why Joel calls them “wonders”. Common lunar and solar eclipses were no wonders even in ancient times (e.g. Egyptian priests were able to forecast them).
    Of course, there’s no need to say any of this if one ponders on what chances are for the rapture to take place in this or the next year.

  52. Probably a major reason why this garners so many headlines is that prominent Bible prophecy teachers are promoting it and a lot of people want to believe that something will take place soon, so they’ll accept the teaching without critiquing it.

    • Writting this May 2015, I have to say I’m very thankful I finally found your site. Just a couple of days ago a friend of mine expressed his concern about all the information available on the internet. How could he ever know which sites and theories he should accept and believe. An hour ago I sent him a link to your page. To use when he needs to question and test the source to see if it comes from The Spirit. And your comment about people have been accepting this Four Blood Moons theory without testing it first or even at all – because it means SOON!! Yes, soon is very important for many people. And a lot of people more and more will find themselves running after rumors of Christ here and there. Thank you for devoting your time to these manners for everyone’s sake.

      • Thank you for your comment and thank you for sharing this site with your friend. I’m far from perfect when it comes to analyzing things, but I try to help people.

  53. There is no need to even mention these blood moons again as they are irrelevant and do not have any biblical significance. Serious believers will already know this and will be looking for truth foretold by Jesus and his disciples rather than myths and fairytales. I thank God for people like Wayne who are seriously assessing all the facts so that all error can be avoided.

    Let me re-iterate here that the last 7 years is not the tribulation as many false teachers are saying. As Wayne clearly stated in this article that the Great tribulation starts half way through the 7 years peace covenant after the abomination of desolation is set up in the temple.

    So this fact alone disproves this false teaching.

    God says that he proclaims the end from the beginning and for those who are wise and hungry for knowledge they can find all the answers they need for when Jesus will return in Genesis without harping on about no one knows the day or hour

  54. I believe the events leading to a 7 year covenant is a far off. I
    personally believe these event will take place at least 10-15 years from now.

  55. I believe the events leading to a 7 year covenant is a far off. I personally believe these event will take place at least 10-15 years from now, unless things start to move much faster.

  56. I’ve posted some comments outlining the accuracy of the history of the tetrads (as opposed to the assertions made about them being prophetic) and the lack of agreement with Scripture this theory has, on some sites. So far I’ve gotten some very negative responses. It would seem that this has become as sacred a cow as the pre-trib rapture theory. The mentality seems to be “Don’t show me the facts (or Scripture), I have an opinion.” Why do people not ever check anything for accuracy and just take anything anyone with a podium says to be truth? It’s not that hard to check and see there is gross misrepresentation of the facts in this case.

  57. Just a cursory glance at the theory should prove it is bunk – there should be a solar eclipse then a lunar eclipse, but that doesn’t occur in 2014. It does with the 3-19-15 solar eclipse that occurs right at the cusp of Nisan 1, but even there the lunar eclipse occurs 2 weeks into the new year. (Although I find the 3-19 solar eclipse fascinating, as it occurs directly over Svalbard, Norway – home to the Svalbard Doomsday Seed Vault.)

    Really, the approach would be better served in asking why such an irrelevant phenomenon is making headlines – in that regard, it seems apparent that this is merely Satanic propaganda – but to what end?
    2012 was clearly an engineered headfake, is the “blood moon” theory the real punch?

    It seems fairly straightforward that some sort of 7 year covenant will occur soon – my money is on dusk April 21, 2014 due to a bunch of “middle of the 7″‘s surrounding this date. This “blood moon” hype must be some sort of device to confuse people about this covenant or its significance. Or even make people think that the leader who comes in 2014 is associated with “the day of the Lord” in a good way.

    Or maybe it is another head-fake (the most likely scenario), since technically speaking, there is nothing in scripture saying anything about a 7 year tribulation. There is 2300 days of tribulation, 1260 days of tribulation, but no 7 years.
    It is quite possible nothing will happen – except for Israel getting the right to sacrifces again and Israel/ US being “clothed in sackcloth” (being poor) for 42 months before the midpoint. I think these head-fakes are necessary for when Israel does start sacrificing again, which if we take 10-2-17 as the midpoint, then 2300 “days and evenings” sacrifices, 1150 days, that would put sacrifices beginning Aug. 9, 2014, 3.5 days after Tisha Bav.

  58. It’s no coincidence that they coincide with the feasts, because the two feasts always fall on a full moon, and these eclipses have a pattern that they follow due to the orbits of the moon and earth, the tilt of the earth, etc. It’s simply bound to happen every so often, but despite what Hagee and Biltz say, these tetrads have never been portents of any events in Israel. Sometimes they have happened AFTER historical events, but that renders them rather meaningless in the prophetic sense. If they are supposed to be warnings, they come a little too late. Sometimes a few years too late in fact. What good is hindsight as a warning?

  59. In John Hagee’s case, he looks at the next tetrad and the Jewish feasts and concludes something big is likely going to happen during that time period. Matthew 24:30-31 is about Christ gathering His elect. Meanwhile, Joel 2:31 mentions that the moon will turn to blood before the coming of the Day of the Lord. John Hagee is a proponent of the Pre-Trib Rapture viewpoint, and many Pre-Trib Rapture proponents see the Day of the Lord spanning the seven year “tribulation” sometime after the Rapture takes place. I think Hagee sees Joel 2 and Matthew 24 as indications that the moon will appear as blood before the Rapture. He probably then puts the tetrad idea and verses I mentioned together to strongly insinuate that the Rapture could take place during that timeframe. Out of fairness to Hagee he has taught that the Rapture could come even before the arrival of the tetrad, but he has strongly insinuated that the Rapture could very well take place in that timeframe.

  60. Hi Wayne. Though I have been interested in this subject I never once thought about linking it to rapture. Where have these speakers got this idea from? What I find so fascinating is how closely they coincide with the OT festivals. To me that is no coincidence!