Interview on the Red Heifer & Other Topics

After publishing an article on the red heifer and end time prophecy, I received an invitation to come back as a guest for Michaela Renee Johnson’s podcast. She wanted to discuss the red heifer and other related end time topics. I accepted the invite since she is a very good interviewer and my experience with her last time went well. The podcast is now available for people to listen to.

You can access the interview by finding episode 160 of the “Be You Find Happy” podcast on your favorite podcast listening service (like Spotify). For your convenience, I have also embedded the podcast episode below.

The conversation went well. I felt we barely scratched the surface of what we could have talked about.


Conducting an interview live can lead me to not be as precise with my words as I would like. Here I want to clarify some things that may have confused people.

Clickbait Headlines

I mentioned early in the interview that there are a lot of clickbait headlines out there. I think there are real incentives for people who teach Bible prophecy or report on events to drive up fear and drama. Doing these things can often bring more viewers, support, or book sales. I’m not saying everyone who teaches Bible prophecy or reports on events does this, but incentives exist to overhype and sensationalize events.

I try to avoid engaging in this behavior because I detest it. I don’t like to sensationalize events. I don’t want to prey on people’s fears. I just want people to understand what is going on and what is going to happen.

The Third vs Fourth Seal

I want to acknowledge that I misspoke with regards the death of 25% of the world’s population. I said in passing that the third seal would bring the death of 25% of the world’s population. That is incorrect. It’s the 4th seal that will bring that. Here is the fourth seal:

(7) And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. (8) And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. (Revelation 6:7-8)

Fourth seal conditions are likely to be present on earth during the latter part of the first half of the tribulation. The extreme famine conditions of the third seal will likely be a major cause of the high death toll during the time of the fourth seal.

The Fibonacci Sequence

Also, near the end, we spoke about the signature of God in creation. I mentioned the golden ratio. The proper term that I was thinking of but didn’t come to mind was the Fibonacci sequence. If you have not heard of the Fibonacci sequence, it’s a phenomenon that we find in all creation. Many view it as very strong evidence that God exists.


With that said, I hope you enjoy the interview. I am still new to this guest appearance thing, but I strive to get better with each appearance.

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Wayne Croley
Wayne Croley

Hi! I’ve studied and written about Bible prophecy since I was a teenager. My goal is to make Bible prophecy easy for you to understand while avoiding the sensationalism seen elsewhere. I am the author of several end time books, including Prophecy Proof Insights on the End Times, a comprehensive book about the end times. I hold an M.B.A. and degrees in Managerial Economics and Political Science.