Ezekiel 20:35: Wilderness of the People Insights

Ezekiel 20:33-38 speaks of the Lord bringing the people of Israel to the “wilderness of the people”. Ezekiel 20:35-38 suggests that the Lord’s people will endure a wilderness experience like the Israelites endured after they left the land of Egypt. Verse 20:38 notes that the rebels and the transgressors will not be allowed to enter the land of Israel:

“(33) As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: (34) And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. (35) And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. (36) Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. (37) And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: (38) And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.” (Ezekiel 20:33-38)

In this article, I will provide insight about the location of the wilderness of the people.

Ezekiel 20:35-36: Not Only in Egypt

I believe Ezekiel 20:35-36 is important to consider when trying to find where the wilderness of the people may or may not be located. Ezekiel 20:35-36 compares the experience that the people of Israel will endure during the end times with the experience their ancestors faced in the wilderness of the land of Egypt:

“(35) And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. (36) Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.” (Ezekiel 20:35-36)

The distinction between “wilderness of the people” in Ezekiel 20:35 and “wilderness of the land of Egypt” in Ezekiel 20:36 suggests that the “wilderness of the people” does not encompass the wilderness of Egypt exclusively (if Ezekiel 20:35 tried to convey the thought that “the wilderness of Egypt” is the only location where the Lord will plead with people face to face it should say “wilderness of Egypt” like in verse 20:36).

The Nations & the Wilderness of the People

A comparison between Jeremiah 31:2, Ezekiel 20:35, Amos 9:9-10 indicates that the “wilderness of the people” encompasses the nations. Jeremiah 31:2 references the remnant of Israel and the wilderness. The verse mentions that the remnant of Israel “found grace in the wilderness” and are survivors of “the sword”:

“(1) At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people. (2) Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest. (Jeremiah 31:1-2)”

The detail that those who will find grace in the wilderness are survivors of sword implies that a purge may take place in the wilderness. The idea of a wilderness purge harkens back to Ezekiel 20:35-38, which says that the Lord will purge the rebels and transgressors in “the wilderness of the people”:

“(35) And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. (36) Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. […] (38) And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.” (Ezekiel 20:35-36, 38)

This leads to Amos 9:9-10. Amos 9:9-10 references the end time purge of the house of Israel by comparing the purge to the sifting of grain:

“(9) For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. (10) All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.” (Amos 9:9-10)

Amos 9:10 says that “all the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us” while Amos 9:9 says that “yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth” (or in other words, there will be a remnant of the house of Israel which will remain after the sift/purge). Taken together, Amos 9:9-10 implies there will be a remnant of the house of Israel that will not die by the sword. This is reminiscent of Jeremiah 31:2 where it says that there will be a remnant that will have survived the sword.

The parallel between Amos 9:9-10 and Jeremiah 31:2 suggest the verses are talking about a similar (if not, the same development) and is important because it potentially can help us better understand where the wilderness of Jeremiah 31:2 or even the wilderness of the people of Ezekiel 20:35 may be located. Amos 9.9 suggests that the end time purge of the house of Israel shall take place “among all the nations”:

“For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.” (Amos 9:9)

This leads to the conclusion that the wilderness of Jeremiah 31:2 and the wilderness of the people of Ezekiel 20:35 are located among the nations of the earth. Here are Ezekiel 20:35-38, Jeremiah 31:2, and Amos 9:9-10, and the similarities between the passages are highlighted:

“(35) And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. (36) Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. (37) And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: (38) And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.” (Ezekiel 20:35-38)

“(1) At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people. (2) Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest. (Jeremiah 31:1-2)”

“(9) For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. (10) All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.” (Amos 9:9-10)

I believe the “wilderness of the people” is a term that encompasses the locations outside of the land of Israel (the nations of the earth) where the people of Israel will endure a wilderness experience that is akin to the wilderness experience their ancestors experienced following the Exodus. I will discuss the “wilderness” of Jeremiah 31:2 in more detail shortly.

Wilderness Locations

Egypt and Assyria are two of many locations that I believe are part of the “wilderness of the people”. Several Bible prophecy passage mention Egypt and Assyria as places where the Lord’s people will be called back from, including the passages below. Isaiah 11:11 mentions that those who will be recovered from the nations are a “remnant”. This implies that a purge will occur in the places where the Lord’s people will be recovered from and those who are brought back are survivors of the purge. Similarly, Isaiah 27:13 notes that those are brought back from Assyria “were ready to perish”:

“(11) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea…(16) And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.” (Isaiah 11:11, 16)

“(12) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. (13) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.” (Isaiah 27:12-13)

“(10) I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them. (11) And he shall pass through the sea with affliction, and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up: and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the sceptre of Egypt shall depart away.” (Zechariah 10:10-11)

“(10) They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west. (11) They shall tremble as a bird out of Egypt, and as a dove out of the land of Assyria: and I will place them in their houses, saith the LORD.” (Hosea 11:10-11)

Another major location that the Bible mentions is Babylon. I place the fulfillment of this particular section of Jeremiah 50 during the latter portion of the end times because verse 5 mentions that the Lord’s people will seek to make a perpetual covenant with the Lord:

“(4) In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God. (5) They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. (6) My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. (7) All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers. (8) Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.” (Jeremiah 50:4-8)

I believe the wilderness of the people will encompass many locations around the world since the people of Israel will be scattered worldwide. Isaiah 11:11-12 provides a sense of how widespread people will be scattered before they are recovered:

(11) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. (12) And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:11-12)

Regardless of how widespread the wilderness of the people may be (or may not be), the central idea is that the “wilderness of the people” encompasses locations outside of the land of Israel, such as Assyria and Egypt, where the people of Israel will endure a wilderness experience that is akin to the wilderness experience their ancestors experienced following the Exodus.

Wilderness of the People vs. The Wilderness

It is important to recognize that the term “wilderness of the people” only appears in Ezekiel 20:35. The term “wilderness” appears in several places like Revelation 12:6, Revelation 12:14-16, Hosea 2:14-15, and Jeremiah 31:2:

“(6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. […] (14) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. (16) And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.” (Revelation 12:6, 14-16)

“(1) At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people. (2) Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.” (Jeremiah 31:1-2)

“(14) Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her. (15) And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. (Hosea 2:14-15)”

I think instances like these refer to a specific area of the Middle East or a part/sub-region of “the wilderness of the people” where people will seek refuge.

Although a part of the “wilderness of the people”, I believe the “wilderness” in these verses refer to specific areas of the Middle East where people will seek refuge. I believe Edom, Moab, and Ammon (which are in modern day Jordan) are the primary locations which will comprise the wilderness area because Daniel 11:41 suggests that each of these locations will escape an attack by the Antichrist:

“He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.” (Daniel 11:41)

Although I refer to Edom, Moab, and Ammon as the primary locations that comprise the wilderness area, it does not mean that people won’t seek refuge in other nearby locations as wilderness is prevalent in that part of the Mideast.

If you would like to learn about the gathering of the people of Israel from the nations after their time in the wilderness of the people, click this link for my article on the gathering of the people of Israel: The Lord Sets His Hand Again: Thoughts on Isaiah 11:11-12

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Wayne Croley
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Hi! I’ve studied and written about Bible prophecy since I was a teenager. My goal is to make Bible prophecy easy for you to understand while avoiding the sensationalism seen elsewhere. I am the author of several end time books, including Prophecy Proof Insights on the End Times, a comprehensive book about the end times. I hold an M.B.A. and degrees in Managerial Economics and Political Science.

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  1. “…You do realize that even the Feasts cannot be kept properly, because there is no temple, so if you can’t obey it completely, are you obeying it?…”

    Why do Christians keep easter + pentacost? ..>>>seeing that there is no temple? These are replacement feasts for Passover and Shavuot.

    Zec 14:16 It will happen that everyone who is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and TO KEEP THE FEAST OF BOOTHS.
    Zec 14:17 It will be, that whoever of all the families of the earth doesn’t go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, on them there will be no rain.

    Do not worry Connie, at the end of the age when our King reigns from Jerusalem, the Goyim/Nations will be forced to keep the Feasts, as you can see above in Zec 14:16 and 17

  2. Connie, are you interested to find out what the sign will be[how we will know] when this SECOND EXODUS are about to start?

    • We have completely different understandings of Scripture. I agree that Christians should be observing the Sabbath, although I do not think the entire Torah laws apply anymore, as many of them are literally impossible to keep. The Ten Commandments are the ones which must be kept. Many of them were for the nation of Israel as a political nation as they were civil laws and we are to obey the laws of the government we are under. The moral laws are the ones which still definitely apply. The ecclesiastical ones likewise are not possible due to not having the temple. You do realize that even the Feasts cannot be kept properly, because there is no temple, so if you can’t obey it completely, are you obeying it?

      I do not need to know anything further about your beliefs, for I can see that you interpret the Bible in a different way. I think I will end our discussion.

    • Rob, it would be highly beneficial for the wider audience if you do share….

      Connie, are you interested to find out what the sign will be[how we will know] when this SECOND EXODUS are about to start?

    • i would like to know how to flee baylon, when my spouse is unbeliever? I have young children. even if I got up and walked out, I have no money, I know no one. Would I just go to the dessert by myself and leave my family? If I stay and die in babylon , and I have kept the Fathers commands, and do not partake in pagan ways, I believe the testimony of His Son Yeshua, wouldn’t I be ressurrected when He gathers His people from the four corners of the earth? i want to leave so bad,but I do not know where or how. please pray for my family.
      I have been telling my spouse many times, but I think he thinks I am crazy. Its to the point where I do not want to talk to him about it anymore

      • Angela,

        I don’t think you need to worry about needing to flee from Babylon at this time. I believe the destruction of Babylon the Great is an event that won’t occur for a long time. It’s quite possible that your young children will be grown up before that happens. Also, the location of Babylon the Great is very debatable. You may not actually be living in Babylon the Great. Even if you did live there and died during its destruction, you would still be resurrected at the Rapture.

        Focus on being a good testimony for your unbelieving spouse. Focus on being a good mother to your children. There’s no need to act out of fear because I believe there’s no biblical reason for you to be worried based on my understanding of end time Bible prophecy.

        • Wayne, the End Times is NOT what Christians think. The 12 Tribes which has been scattered to the Four Corners of the Earth, shall comeback to Israel. Also, the so called Old Testament and New Testament DOES NOT go together, very simple to prove.

          • I’ll have to respectfully disagree with you on the Old Testament and New Testament. I believe we should consider both when it comes to studying Bible prophecy.

          • You’re misleading once you bring in the New Testament (which is plagiarism). 1) Yahuah our Alahym said besides Him their is No Other (Deuteronomy 4:35; 32;9, Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6,8 more that I could add). 2) No one can died for your sins (Deuteronomy 24:16; Ezekiel 18:20 and more). 3) Human Sacrifice is Abomination (Deuteronomy 18:9-12; Jeremiah 19:4,5 and more). Through your studies you missed this and bridge the Old & New together when they are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I do understand for I also was a scholar of Christianity.

          • I know you’re a Christian. Once you understand that Deuteronomy 28:15-68 is still prevalent today – then you’ll know that Galatians 3:13 is certainly NOT true. Watch how your research change.

  3. Connie wrote/said on January 8, 2017 at 8:44 pm>>

    “…..The remnant are Christians, who are obedient to God’s commandments as Christ told us we should be if we love Him, but nowhere does it include them in the flight and protection process in this passage….”

    Do christians eat/keep koshur?
    Do christians set aside the Sabbath to keep it Holy?[weekly Sabbath]
    Do christians wear tassels?
    Do christians set the Feasts of Yahweh aside/keep holy?[Additional yearly Sabbaths?]
    Do christians hug other women/men before entering their “church”?
    in other words; Do christians follow all the instructions of the FATHER?

    The remnant who keep to our Fathers instructions WILL be taken to a safe place by an “Angel” before the tribulation starts:>>

    Exo 23:20 “Behold, I send an angel before you, to keep you by the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
    Exo 23:21 Pay attention to him, and listen to his voice. Don’t provoke him, for he will not pardon your disobedience, for my name is in him.
    Rev 12:6 The woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God…..

  4. Eze 20:35 and I will bring you into the WILDERNESS OF THE PEOPLES[nations], and THERE will I enter INTO JUDGEMENT with you face to face. LIKE AS I entered into judgment WITH YOUR FATHERS in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, SO, will I enter into judgment with you, says the Lord GOD.
    Eze 20:37 I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I WILL BRING YOU INTO THE BOND OF THE COVENANT;
    Eze 20:38 and I WILL PURGE OUT from among you THE REBELS, and THOSE WHO DISOBEY against me…

    Here above you can see that people disobedient to the Covenental agreement of the Nation, will be removed from under the protection of Yeshua during the wilderness experiance[2nd exodus]

  5. Rth 1:16 Ruth said, “Don’t entreat me to leave you, and to return from following after you, for where you go, I will go; and where you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God.

    Here in the above verse, Ruth asked to be grafted into the Nation of our Father and to become part of that/the Nation of Yahweh.

    Mat 24:20 “But pray that your flight may not be in the winter, NEITHER ON A SHABBATH,
    Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.

    Here in the above two verses in the “New Testament”,we have our Messiah[Jew], telling us that at the end of the age during the tribulation, that we are not to flee to the Mountains on a Sabbath. When was a sabbath in those days that he spoke these words? Yes, you guest it ! >> On a SATURDAY.

    So Yeshua warns us not to flee to the Wilderness of the people[second exodus], on a Saturday.

  6. Please children of God don’t fight! If I’ve learned anything in my life that is, debating and ridiculing each others’ opinions, will just only divide believer’s and scatter them. We need every hand on deck, especially if the End Times are near or at the door. You both have good incites, and must take the higher moral ground. Be like Abraham Lincoln said,” …the angels of our better natures.” Your words must reveal Who sent them If you want understanding to prevail in any discussion be mindful of who reads them. There are many young readers, who will read for the first time, what will be fall to the church, at the end of the age. Prepare them, as they will know nothing of what will happen. The spirit, will charge you, to help those behind you, to come up to where you are….Jn

    • “….There are many young readers, who will read for the first time, what will be fall to the church, at the end of the age…”

      Yes it is important to know and choose where you want to be during the Tribulation[Jacob’s trouble]. There are but two choices:
      1. Be part of the church/Nations/heathen.
      2. Be part/join the Fathers Nation[Like Ruth did].

      The church is part of the Nations and see here in the following verse what will befall them>>
      Jer 30:11 “For I am with you to save you,” says ADONAI, “I will FINISH OFF ALL the nations where I have scattered you. However, you I will not finish off, but will discipline only as you deserve; I will not completely destroy you.”

      So here our Father in heaven tells His Nation[Jacob/12tribes] , that He is going destroy the church/christians in the end times.

      Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice out of heaven say: “My people, COME OUT OF HER ! so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not be infected by her plagues….

      • I’m trying to make sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying that only those who are Hebraic Christians or Messianic Jews will make it into the kingdom of God? If wrong please correct me, but it is coming across as if that is what you are saying. And if so, then are you saying that all the Christians who have lived since Christ that did not observe a Hebraic form of Christianity are doomed to hell, because they did not? I just want to make sure I am getting this straight. Rather than quote Scriptures, which you interpret one way and I interpret another, and therefore I will not get your point from your view, would you just answer the question as directly as possible. Even a simple yes or no would suffice to start. If the answer is yes, that is all I need to know. If the answer is no, then I need some further clarification as to what you think happened to all these people who accepted Christ but did not observe a Hebraic Christianity.

        • Connie, here is my direct answer: > All christians of the Constantinian “breed” will not make it, unless they return to pre-Constantine belief and then join the Nation of Elohim our heavenly Father, like Ruth did.

          The “Blood of the Lamb” on the doorposts of those that left Egypt was not enough to guarantee their salvation. They were taken to the “mountain” where they were given instructions on how the “bride” was to conduct herself.

          They refused to obey, and was smitten.

          Similarly, Constantinian christians refuse to operate/conduct themselves within the set parameters of Yahweh’s instructions and thus will also be smitten during the tribulation.

          Example:> A Constantinian Christian goes to “church” on Sunday and wants nothing to do with the Feasts of the “Jews”

  7. RECEIVE HEAVENLY BODIES BEFORE THE 1000Years>>
    1Th 4:15 When we say this, we base it on the Lord’s own word: we who remain alive when the Lord comes will certainly not take precedence over those who have died.
    1Th 4:17 then we who are left still alive will be caught up with them in the clouds[in our heavenly bodies] to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will [ALWAYS] be [WITH] the Lord.
    AFTER THE 1000Years>>
    1Co 15:24(cjb) then the culmination, when he [HANDS OVER] the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power.

    • Plan of Salvation:

      1. We from the Nations/heathen have to accept the Jewish Messiah[Yeshua]and what he did on the stake/cross.
      2. Be grafted in AMONGST the twelve tribes of Yahweh’s Nation[Israel][the Olive tree]
      3. Lead our lives within the framework/instructions of Yahweh and bear fruit[olives]
      4. When the tribulation starts, Yeshua will lead us to a safe place[among the Nations/heathen]{greater exodus}
      5. Whilst in the protection of Yeshua{wilderness of the people}, we will receive our heavenly bodies on the feast day called Yom Teruah/Trumpets and meet him in the clouds and be taken to Zion/Israel.
      6. Spend 1000Years with our Bridegroom whilst he is ruling as King over the Nations/heathen.
      7. Endure with him till he hands the Kingdom over to his Father.
      8. Enter the New City, with the 12 tribes as grafted in among them/sojourners

      The Jews have a saying that when the Messiah returns, he will tell each individual where/with which tribe they belong.

      Thus we will then know which gate to use to enter into the new City of Yahweh.

      • Well, with your beliefs, I guess all those who died in the Lord before the twelve tribes were created have no place in New Jerusalem. Too bad for them. Concerning those who have been resurrected before the millennium, they will have their homes in New Jerusalem, but can come down to work on earth as judges. They will judge those who lived through the millennium and have entered the millennium as we now are, and whom will marry and have children to repopulate the earth. Since God will separate out all those from the twelve (or actually thirteen tribes) and settle them in Israel, and the rest of the Gentiles will live in the nations they are from, during the millennium, it would appear that salvation is given to more than only the twelve tribes of Israel. God sent Jesus to the Jews and it was supposed to be their job to take the gospel out into the entire world, not just to the lost 10 tribes. We are not grafted into a tribe of Israel, we are grafted into the spiritual family of God. He is not a Jew who is one outwardly (by bloodline) he is one who is one spiritually. We are adopted into Abraham’s family by faith, not into a tribe of Israel by bloodline. Job was not of the twelve tribes, isn’t he allowed to be there? Your theology makes no sense.

        • “….Well, with your beliefs, I guess all those who died in the Lord before the twelve tribes were created have no place in New Jerusalem. Too bad for them….”

          That is why there will be a second resurrection.

          “….God sent Jesus to the Jews and it was supposed to be their job to take the gospel out into the entire world, not just to the lost 10 tribes….”

          No god did NOT send jeshu to “the Jews”….>Mat 15:24 He said, “I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Isra’el.”

          “….We are not grafted into a tribe of Israel…”

          Correct. We are>>Rom 11:17…..were grafted in AMONG them….{AMONG}!

          “….He is not a Jew who is one outwardly (by bloodline) he is one who is one spiritually….”

          Correct.

          “….We are adopted into Abraham’s family by faith, not into a tribe of Israel by bloodline…”

          How was Abraham declared righteous?>>By his Works, that demonstrated his faith.

          What was the promise to Abraham and his descendants? Was it heaven or Earth?

          “….Your theology makes no sense…”

          2Co 3:15 Yes, till today, whenever Moshe[1st 5 books] is read, a veil lies over their heart.

          “..Job was not of the twelve tribes, isn’t he allowed to be there? Your theology makes no sense…”
          Rather take the example of Ruth. She was a Moabite. How did she end up in the Nation?

          • No, Connie, We follow scripture “old testament” and “new testament”. We study the Bible like the Bereans did.

            Paul gives us warning of what is to come at the end of the age[after 6000years], but people tend to just read over his admonitions.

            1Co 10:1 For, brothers, I don’t want you to miss the significance of what happened to our fathers…
            1Co 10:6 Now these things took place as pre-figurative historical events, warning us……

            1Co 10:7 Don’t be idolaters, as some of them were…
            1Co 10:8 And let us not engage in sexual immorality…
            1Co 10:9 And let us not put the Messiah to the test…
            1Co 10:10 And don’t grumble, as some of them did…

            1Co 10:11 These things happened to them as pre-figurative historical events, and they were written down as a warning to us who are living in the acharit-hayamim.

            So, here Paul/Shaul gives us warning that when we enter the physical wilderness experience, when we are led out of the Nations/heathen, we should heed these warnings or else we will end up like our forefathers did.[They were all killed in the wilderness with the exception of Joshua and Calib EVEN THOUGH they believed in the blood of the Lamb, by smearing it on their doorposts]

  8. Rob, I’m starting a new thread here because the answers are getting narrower and narrower. Didn’t really understand your last question. What do you mean “is it okay to mix the church and remnant?” From my understanding, the compromised church that needs purging, will be purged in the tribulation through death. They will suffer for their compromise. The church remnant that keeps the commandments of Christ, and has weeded the paganism out of their beliefs (and that includes not embracing the paganism that infiltrated Judaism either) will mostly make it to the rapture. That is the difference between them. One suffers for her compromise, but keeps salvation, the other is kept safe and rewarded for her faithfulness. That is why the remnant church who also has members in Babylon as does Israel, is told to come out of her before she is blown to bits. The woman, Israel, is kept safe, because she needs to survive to go into the millennium and repopulate the earth so that the promise made to Israel can be fulfilled that the Messiah would reign over them and they would be priests to all nations. The remnant of Christians are kept safe because they are Philadelphians who have kept the word of God’s patience, and the commandments of Christ. Both have people in Babylon that need to come out before she is punished. Her destruction comes before the rapture, so the remnant would need to get out of her, so that they are not killed along with her and can live to be raptured and Israel would have to get out of her, so that they can enter the millennium.

    • “…What do you mean “is it okay to mix the church and remnant?…”
      Mat 6:24(cjb) one can be slave to two masters; for he will either hate the first and love the second, or scorn the second and be loyal to the first……..

      “…The woman, Israel, is kept safe, because she needs to survive to go into the millennium and repopulate the earth…”
      >>Luk 20:35(HNV) But those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.

      “…The remnant of Christians are kept safe because they are Philadelphians…”
      >>Rev 3:8 “I know your works…(Can not be Christians because Christians do not do/believe in Works. Not so?

      “…raptured..”
      >>Where are these raptured too? If you say “heaven” then……..>

      >>Mat 5:5 Blessed are the gentle,for they shall inherit the earth.
      >>Mat 13:30…in the harvest time I will tell the reapers,{FIRST}, gather up the darnel weeds, and bind them in bundles to burn them…..

      • I’m not sure what your beliefs are, but it would seem that you do not have the same beliefs as me. For the first, Christians can be living in a way that is not in complete holiness, which is why God chastises and purges. 1 Cor. 11:32 “But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.” Hebrews 12:5-7 ” And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?” This does not yet negate their justification obtained by accepting Christ.

        Check the letters to the churches in Revelation. What does Christ tell them to do after he chastises them? He tells them to repent and get back where they should be. Rev. 3:19 “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” Trials (tribulation) usually brings people to their knees, and that is what the tribulation will do. Peter warned us about this coming trial by fire. 1 Pet. 4:12-18 ” Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, WHEN HIS GLORY SHALL BE REVEALED, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”

        Look at the people on the sea of glass. They have washed their robes (because they got dirty) and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev. 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

        It would almost seem as if you think that Christians cannot sin or put barriers between themselves and God. The Scriptures are full of warnings about not letting this happen and how God will do what He has to to correct them. That doesn’t negate their salvation unless and until they die in unrepentant sin.

        Some Christians do not believe that works are necessary, but that is not what Scripture teaches. Works are necessary to maintain our relationship with God so that we will not fall away and will endure to the end, so that we can receive salvation. They give evidence of our faith. If there is no evidence of something, then it would seem to not exist. James 2:14, 17-26 ” What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?….. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” Phil. 2:12 ‘ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” There are but a few of the multitude of verses that tell us that just accepting the Lord is not sufficient. Salvation is not a trophy to be left upon a shelf. We need to be doing the works that God prepared for us to do, and obeying His commandments to keep our relationship in good standing. That is what the Philadephians have been doing. The first thing mentioned to each of the churches in Revelation is their works. Works are important to God, but they don’t have to prevent salvation from being attained. The thief on the cross had no works.

        1 Cor. 3:13-15 “Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” Note that they don’t lose their salvation, but they do lose all rewards, for their works were not done for the Lord. Christ tells the churches to be overcomers, to repent and turn back. That is what the group on the sea of glass are.

        You don’t seem to believe that there is a millennial reign on earth for you are equating heaven with the millennial reign of Christ in the verse you quoted. No, in heaven and in New Jerusalem there will be no marrying among the resurrected, but among the living humans who have not died, but lived through the tribulation and Day of the Lord’s wrath, they go on to live on the earth in the same form we have now, marrying and having families and repopulating the earth for the millennium so that Christ has someone to reign over. That is why at the end of the 1000 years, Satan is let loose to round up those who have been rebelling in their hearts against Christ for the thousand years, but could not act upon it, because He has been ruling with a rod of iron. It is at the end of this time that there is another armageddon scenario or Gog and Magog war, and Satan is thrown into the lake of fire and the unbelieving dead are resurrected in the second resurrection to be judged by their works, not by Christ’s blood. Rev. 20: 7-12 ” And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”

        The resurrected saints are not living in heaven, they are living in the place that Jesus said He was going to prepare for them – New Jerusalem. It is a city prepared for them and God will live in its midst. The nations of the world will walk in its light. It is the size of Pluto, so obviously it will not be actually ON the earth, as it is too big, (1500 miles wide, long, and HIGH) but as the nations walk in its light (which is God’s Shekinah glory shining out through it as it is a crystal type structure), the implication is that it is a satellite city orbiting the earth. As we will have the same kind of resurrected body as Christ, and He could appear and disappear at will, and could ascend without the need of an airplane, this should not be a problem for us.

        I do not see the issue with the last thing mentioned. God bundles the wheat and tares at the same time. The wheat is harvested in two ways – raptured for believers, and set aside and protected for those who make it into the millennium) and the tares are sent into the wrath of God to be destroyed. Anyone who still makes it through the wrath of God and has the mark will be the goat in the sheep and goat judgment. Those who did not are the sheep and enter the millennium. They will inherit the earth. I will inherit New Jerusalem.

        • Connie said/wrote:

          “…There are but a few of the multitude of verses that tell us that just accepting the Lord is not sufficient and obeying His commandments…”

          With the above statement, you do not seem to be a christian.

          “…The thief on the cross had no works….”

          And where in scripture can I read this?

          “…You don’t seem to believe that there is a millennial reign on earth…”

          I do believe this.

          “…I will inherit New Jerusalem….”

          Under which denominational name of the “church” do you plan to enter into a gate of the Great City?…>>Rev 21:12(HNV) having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

          • I am a Christian, but I realize that Christ said, “Depart from me, I never knew you,” to a lot of people who think they are Christians. Asking Christ to be your Savior is but the first step. We are repeatedly told that we must endure to the end, for you can walk away. Read Hebrews 6 and 11. Clearly there will be people who have accepted the Lord as their Savior who do not endure to the end. Read John 15. Clearly those who are in the vine, but are not producing fruit (works) are going to be cut off and thrown in the fire. Read the parable of the four seeds. Three of them take root, but only one produces fruit, the other two wither and die. There are many more verses that tell us that we have to work out our salvation, Justification is not the same as salvation. Justification is applied to your life, but you have to keep it intact to claim salvation at the end.

            Tell me what work the thief on the cross had? He died there after accepting Jesus as his Savior, and Christ told him he would be with Him in paradise. So he endured to the end, but did not have time to have works. Those of us who have much time in between the two must have works as the evidence of our faith, or we are lopped off the vine and Christ will declare He never knew us. If we deny Him, He will deny us. How many ways does the Bible have to warn us to not fall away?

            If you believe the millennial reign of Christ, then why did you quote the verse about in heaven people do not marry? Earth is not heaven, so people will marry.

            There is no denomination of the Church. There are individual believers from all mankind, Jew and Gentile, men and women, ethnic races of all kinds, who make up the Bride of Christ. But some of those believers are presently not abiding with Christ as they should, and so He will chastise them to bring them back, so that they will endure to the end. Some will not accept that chastisement and they will fall away. Some will accept it and will receive eternal life.

            The names of the twelve tribes or twelve apostles written on anything is not pertinent to whom God gives salvation. Salvation is given to those who believe and abide in Christ. New Jerusalem is for God’s resurrected people. The earth is for Christ’s millennial reign. Your questions make me question what exactly you are believing.

          • “…The names of the twelve tribes or twelve apostles written on anything is not pertinent to whom God gives salvation…”

            Come now Connie, > Why would the entrances/gates of the city have names on them?

            “…If you believe the millennial reign of Christ, then why did you quote the verse about in heaven people do not marry?..”

            Because there will be those that have received their heavenly bodies in the millennium with their bridegroom. Or do you think that the bride will be floating around heaven with their bridegroom ruling here on earth as King?

      • Connie, It will not ONLY be those of Israel, but the “other” children of the “woman” as well that…> Rev 12:17 The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who OBEY God’s commands and bear witness to Yeshua.

        Note that these OBEY the commands/instructions as well as having faith in Yeshua. In other words, Christian family members will flee with those grafted into the olive tree, BUT, will be purged from among those keeping to the commands/instructions of our Heavenly Father, who’s name they[christians] do not know.

        • This is the way I read Rev. 12. “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent” Israel is the woman. God gives her flight into protection for 3 1/2 years. then “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” The remnant are Christians, who are obedient to God’s commandments as Christ told us we should be if we love Him, but nowhere does it include them in the flight and protection process in this passage. They are the ones Satan turns to to kill in His anger when the woman (Israel) is given sanctuary. Hence the great tribulation. The woman and her remnant are not the same thing. They are two different bodies. Woman = Israel. Remnant=Christians. Christianity is not really a different religion from Judaism, it is the offspring or fulfillment of it. However you want to call it. Just because it has been paganized to be unrecognizable as such doesn’t change that fact.

          • “…The remnant are Christians, who are obedient to God’s commandments…”

            “…Just because it has been paganized to be unrecognizable as such doesn’t change that fact…”

            Where, Connie, do you find Christians keeping the Feasts of Yahweh, the Creator of the Universe?

            Here He, [the Creator of the Universe], states that the Feats are His Feasts…>
            Lev 23:2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them, ‘The set feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even THESE ARE MY set feasts.

            Are you really saying that PAGANS/christians will be part of the Body of the Messiah?

          • Connie, Christians refer to the Feasts of the Creator of the Universe as “the Feasts of the Jews”.

            I have just proven to you with the above verse that is is not so.

            Please go study the Feasts of Leviticus 23 , as the whole chapter deals with HIS Feasts.

          • I am well aware of the Feasts of the Lord and have studied them for a long time. You ask where I find Christians keeping the Feasts? Are you completely unaware of how many Christians have turned back to them? Messianic Jews and Hebraic Roots, and individuals who are not associated with either group (all whom are believers in Christ) keep the Feasts. Not that I agree with how far some have turned back toward Judaism, in that some have rejected the N.T. except for the book of Matthew, but there is a worldwide movement of turning back to God’s ways and away from the paganism that has taken over Christianity.

            While I do believe keeping the Sabbath is a necessity, as it is one of the Ten Commandments, I do believe that God made keeping the Feasts optional for Christians, as they cannot be kept correctly according to rules God made for them. There is no temple anymore. As such, God lifted the requirement and made it optional to observe the day as best they can. “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.” Romana 14:5-6a

            Christians who are compromised by having unwittingly accepted the pagan things that have infiltrated the church such as observing the pseudo-Christian celebrations as well as not keeping the Sabbath, need to be purged of the paganism just as Israel needed purging, however that does not negate their belief in the Lord as their Savior anymore than it made all Jews unbelievers in Yahweh because Judaism had incorporated much paganism. If that were the case, all Christians have been lost for the past two thousand years, so I doubt that is the case. Why do you think Christians will be going through the great tribulation and die in it? It is to purge all of the compromise out of them so that they can make their robes white.

          • Connie, What does the following mean to you?…>Rev 18:4 I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that you have no participation in her sins, and that you don’t receive of her plagues….

            Why would it be necessary to say such a thing if it was ok to mix church and the remnant?

    • Kimberly, it’s not so much as to WHO, is the women in the wilderness, as it is to WHERE, is the women in the wilderness on this planet? If you know the location, you’ll know who she is..(Right now, some could believe it’s Lebanon, with all of it’s killing and out right massacres there.) I’m not saying that it is. But I think, it wouldn’t be a stretch, to think of her, the WOMEN, as coming out of a killing-field. Which is how she is depicted. Who is rescued by God. Whose off-spring goes up into Heaven. Where the Dragon awaits to devour her child while it’s being born. And a place given to her, in the forest, (A secure place, in penetrable, given to her for a set number of days.) Remember, John is writing this message by his own understanding. Like he had no knowledge of telephones, or computers, etc. So, when he is writing, he is writing trying to explain something that’s unexplainable to him. Fast forward today. This is still a mystery. So don’t pin your assessments on everything being black and white. Like I indicated before, her location is more important in this mystery then who she is. For it for tells her function, and by her function, you’ll understand who she is. So, she’s got a place in the End Times, dealing with a birth of a child, that will defeat a dragon. Jn

    • Kimberly, keep searching, you’ll find your answer. Remember the Book of Revelations, is a fluid book, from vials, judgments, and visions, all being explained through one man’s eyes. Seek those who have studied this book for generations. Nobody knows everything about the End Times, no matter how long they have studied. But God in His wisdom has left somethings a mystery, which He will show by himself, in His own time. Somethings were sealed up for a specific time, like Daniel was told. I am amazed that you want to search for answers, in this present day, with so many having no time to do anything. Your on the right track. Jn

  9. One thing I did was make survival wish lists on Amazon and other sites like Home Depot so that if something did happen I wouldn’t have to spend hours or days trying to think of what we would need. That way, you can just click and order. It also helps you organize your thoughts – or at least it did for me. I also moved money out of savings and into checking so that I could pull the trigger on large transactions quickly if need be. I do believe it’s getting harder and harder to get your money out of the bank. At least, that has been my experience.

    • “Watchman”….From the beginning of sorrows to tribulation times, a total banking collapse will occur world -wide. Your money, and basically anything that’s worth bartering with, will be null and void People for years, have stored up food stuffs and essentials, so that they could weather the storm and come out living, during these events. This will not work, as all computers will probably be hacked or locked-up by the Anti- Christ, and all electrical grids will probably be non-existent. The only sure way that, you will be able to survive these tumultuous situations will be, if you’ve got your armor on, and you’ve been filled-up with the spirit, and you are continuously praying for divine aid and help. Stashing stuff for yourself, will not help because, there will be wars and rumors of wars. When facing a possible nuclear attack on any nation, as on this nation, your meager supply will not last and may be contaminated. This is one of the reasons why, you cannot determine this by your own judgement. It will be futile. When you deal with the End Times, don’t assume that your today’s 21st century answers, will be appropriate for an all of your needs. You’re dealing with a supernatural “Time of Sorrows” and “Wars”, that will take a supernatural God to intervene and fix.. There are spirits out there, who are waiting for their chance, to enter the arena of history, to take down as many believer’s as they can, and exalt themselves to reveal who they really are. The basic believer is going to need as much Wisdom and Knowledge and Revelation as they can get to survive. During the first century Christians all believed that Christs’ return was eminent, but nobody saw His return…Then, there have been so many times, when people thought that He would return, but didn’t, throughout history. That, as you know, doesn’t mean that He is not coming…But when all the signs are in place, like they are now, be extremely careful to discern the signs of the times. America, and other nations may need your input in the coming future. Tomorrow a statement you make may go viral, and cause a great revival. Likewise, your statement may cause those in authority to do you damage. We are on the edge. Jn

  10. Do you believe there are only 7,000 of the election of grace? I struggle with the fact if I should stock pile food or not. I believe the tribulation will be 7 years where some I know think it’s been shortened but I don’t believe so. I’m not so much worried about myself as I’m not exactly scared to die but I have a family that I don’t want to see suffer from food or from military martial law enforced. We read in different parts of the bible Jesus told us not to worry about what tommorow brings. We also see how he took care of Elijah and brought food to him by ravens. Also the Hebrew children with Moses had mana rain down to them. I just worry that if I’m not one of the elect God will not take care of me and not sure how I should prepare for what’s coming.

    • The seven years of the seventieth week of Daniel (what people often refer to as the “tribulation”) won’t be entirely bad. It is the great tribulation that will be particularly challenging for the opponents of the Antichrist, which will be begin at the midway point of the seventieth week of Daniel (3.5 years through the seven years). Therefore, you will have time to prepare yourself and your loved ones even after Antichrist arrives on the world stage. It doesn’t hurt to plan, but there is no need to panic yet. The seventieth week of Daniel has not started yet and it may be some time before it begins.

    • Being that the US is $18+ trillion in debt, I would consider the possibility that economic collapse could prevent you from being able to purchase or procure food and/or other critical items well before things get really bad specifically for Christians. Freeze dried food has a 25 year shelf life when stored properly, and even if the economy doesn’t collapse, it’s still food for an emergency. Can’t really go wrong there.

      I can totally relate to your concerns; I addressed the exact same questions myself not too long ago. I’m not saying my conclusion was right, but for myself, I essentially decided that it was better to show my kids that I really believed what God’s Word said about the last days than to pretend I wasn’t worried.

      Even if the end doesn’t come for another 100 years, it’s coming for some generation at some point. If we don’t set the example for our children, is it reasonable to think they’ll set it for their
      children?

      Again, not saying it’s right, but that was my thinking at the time.

  11. “…I think the “wilderness of the people” may actually encompass many locations around the world since the people of Israel will be scattered worldwide…”
    You are correct sire, We have identified two locations in the wilderness close[150km] from/to our home where we will “flee” to, as soon as the shop-shelves run empty and cannibalism takes over. First a world-wide economic crash then watch your/the news on television to see people performing a “black-Friday” on all shops/grocery stores. Within 3 weeks you have to be where very few go [Look at your area map for mountainous areas] and always ensure enough fuel in your vehicle with your back-packs ready to leave.
    Joseph ensured his family had a place close-to/next-to Egypt, did he not? Was it not called Goshen? Was not/is not Joseph a picture of Yeshua? Gen 45:7> (HNV) God sent me before you to preserve for you a remnant in the earth, and to save you alive by a great deliverance.

  12. Thank you for commenting.

    One of the reasons I lean towards the view of a physical/spiritual purging in the end times is that verses like Isaiah 6:13 talk about specific numbers of survivors. Isaiah 27:13 (an end times verse) talking about those “perishing” also suggests to me that there is something physical taking place.

    I disagree with you about Edom, Ammon, etc. It is the woman who hides in the wilderness, not the man-child.

    Nevertheless, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion, so you are welcome to agree or disagree with anything I write.

  13. hi,
    stumbled onto your blog just now,
    im proud how diligently you search

    ‘the wilderness of people ‘ simply indicates ‘ (social) desolation ‘
    – like the old peopleisrael went through the physical desert desolation,
    these days, those who are His’ are many times ‘alone in present society’.

    and either His ‘ conform to (wordly) society – or keep standing
    .. this is the purging

    Dan 11:41 is about tptb ; they derived from ‘edom and amman’ (bloodlines)
    untill this very day it is them who rule here.
    Obadja describes, how these are opressing their own brothers, even killing them,
    because they póse as christians/jews – but serve another god.

    There wont be no need for the manchild ‘to hide in edom or petra ‘  ;
    all of that – like the exodus –  is a fleshy/earthly foreshadow of events that are about to happen… or, in fact, some áre already happening
    love
    Lone